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    Quote Originally Posted by tummychow View Post
    after having dueled a friend's test build with this (both with hybrid agents and with mirror match 8D), i kind of agree but kind of do not. it's not so much that any of the cards will be dead as that sometimes they don't form any useful plays; in general all the main monsters are pretty good.

    imo seth, usir/osiris and tefnut are all unnecessary in this deck, tefnut clogs and can't attack if it's summoned while seth/osiris can't be run in large numbers which makes them inconsistent (osiris banishes your holy seals for summoning which is really bad). it should be focused on tributing into shu/nephthys for control and beatdown, and using geb/dragorado to pull the holy seals to facilitate fast level 8 plays off isis, which lets you exert loads of pressure with ennead. r5 plays would be a secondary option since nephthys and isis are both 5*; atem is powerful but difficult to summon because shu is the only 6*.

    in other words, i'm seeing the primary four hieroglyphs as geb, isis, shu and nephthys. the rest of the maindecked monsters aren't so hot.

    superstrength is an unnecessary minus when most of the monsters can be ss'd; the tribute floating will compensate for that card economy but superstrength has no such benefit. best tribute cards to play in this deck afaik are Enemy Controller, Burst Breath and seal of obliteration/erasure.

    as for other useful cards, Trade-In imo is unavoidable (duality isn't too hot because too many plays will involve tribute special summoning). dragorado opens a lot of combos and also enables BLS but i can't say for sure if it's worth it, since dragorado can be a bit inconsistent - worst case scenario, dragorado serves as a 2100 beater. Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon is another interesting tech whose usefulness i cannot confirm; atem is difficult to bring out and without it REDMD is also a mixed bag to summon, but the main monsters can all be ss'd by it which is nice. definitely has its uses though. honest is a must include. i'm mixed on Champion's Vigilance because the 8* seals are so easy to kill, but i'm leaning towards yes atm since you leave them in faceup defense more often than one might expect.

    since it's always easier to edit other people's work, here is the build i was testing in the mirror match with that friend of mine - i only used it once or twice so i cannot confirm that it's any good, but it's a start. side deck is generic and the extra is just loaded with any monster i can make.

    the full extra, if curious, is
    1 gustaph max (for the two REDMDs i run. that little 2k can be game sometimes)
    2 ennead
    1 thunder end (yes you really can use up this many rank 8s in a single duel)
    2 atem (prob gonna cut to 1)
    1 volcasaurus
    1 tiras
    1 zenmaioh
    1 sacred pleaides
    1 daigusto emeral
    1 lavalval chain
    1 utopia
    1 roach
    1 chimeratech fortress (because without maindecked tuners, this extra is really not cramped at all)

    cards i'm contemplating in maindeck atm: avarice (since you can tribute really fast in this deck), third nephthys (in exchange for third isis, most likely) are the ones i'm thinking about the most atm



    EDIT: had some interesting realizations while dueling a friend's hieroglyphs. if this deck has no monsters on the field, it's almost impossible to survive while topdecking - the combos all require a monster to summon and a monster to tribute, at the minimum. the only ways out are geb and tefnut, or boss monsters. i'm probably gonna run gorz and trag in my build above to compensate (trag especially since it makes exceed plays 8D) another good option in that regard, if a disaster dragon engine is used, would be Totem Dragon.

    just courious
    y would u drop atum down to 1 u need him at three to get the gustaph plays
    and to swarm the field for otk potential

    Quote Originally Posted by tummychow View Post
    main reason i would not run Luster Dragon #2 or any non-hieroglyph normals in general is because they don't have any synergy with geb, and geb is frankly what makes this deck work. i suppose you could run only one of the hieroglyphic seals but i'm not loving that idea; if the only one you have gets banished somehow then you'd be in trouble. either way all the normal monsters in this deck are vulnerable to chain dis (since they're all 0/0 when summoned) so there's no real advantage to running non-archetype normal monsters, unless you're running Totem Dragon. the exception perhaps is blue eyes because it has a support card of its own (white stone of legend) but i'd still prefer hieroglyphic seals

    EDIT: and as for bls, dragorado provides more than enough fuel combined with any dark tech you might run like REDMD or gorz/trag, so tri-horned being a dark monster doesn't really make it worthwhile

    gebeb is great i will grant that but runing Luster Dragon #2 and some other lvl 6 vanilla monster is for the atum plays and the fact that ur opponent will be maining atleast 2 Chain Disappearance so u need to run different monsters of the same lvl and that r vanilla monsters to get around chain
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    just courious
    y would u drop atum down to 1 u need him at three to get the gustaph plays
    and to swarm the field for otk potential
    if you had checked the build it would be self evident that at the time i was not playing atem turbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gengar View Post
    OP needs a decklist/

    hieratics deck build

    2 hieratic seal of the sun dragon overlord
    2 Luster Dragon 2
    2 wattmeter-dragon
    1 Effect Veiler
    1 galax-eyes photon dragon
    3 hieratic dragon of eset
    3 hieratic dragon of su
    3 hieratic dragon of tefnuit
    2 hieratic seal of the dragon king
    2 Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
    monsters 21

    spells
    1 Book of Moon
    1 Dark Hole
    1 Enemy Controller
    1 Future Fusion
    1 Heavy Storm
    3 hieratic seal of convocation
    2 hieratic seal of supremacy
    1 Monster Reborn
    spells 11

    3 hieratic seal of reflection
    2 Royal Decree
    1 Solemn Judgment
    2 Solemn Warning
    traps 8

    1 Five-Headed Dragon
    3 gaia dragoon, the force of lightning
    2 gustaph max the super-dreadnought railway gun
    3 hieratic dragon king of atum
    1 hieratic dragon overlord of heliopolis
    1 inzektor exa-beetle
    1 neo Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon
    1 number 12 crimson shadown armor ninja
    1 number 25 fullmetal photoglide focus force
    1 photon streak bounzer


    this deck build is just down right amazing

    any advice is appreciated
    im not taking Luster Dragon or wattmeter dragon out
    they r the focus of this deck build

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    I love dragons. I mean I've been playing them since they came out (was playing some Blue-Eyes beatdown with Manju/Paladin before I quit 6 years ago and came back last year) and I'm really trying to make Hieratics work. I'm sure we've all seen the OCG Atem Turbo build, but without Gustaph it's difficult to make Hieratics work... In this last week of testing to try and get them going, I've been experiencing a serious load of dead draws, almost empty hands after making plays, and just feeling outright disappointed at the lack of ability to make them work.

    Right now I'm running on this for TCG...
    3 Eset
    2 Gebeb
    1 Nebthet
    3 Tefnuit
    3 Su
    2 REDMD

    3 Convocation
    1 Book of Moon
    1 Heavy Storm
    1 Dark Hole (a bit cautious about this, since field presence for monsters is high on my side after a while. Hate topdecking this after that)
    2 Mystical Space Typhoon (don't want to rely on Su too much. Especially since I have problem with hand size and having the right pieces)
    1 Monster Reborn

    Solemn Brigade
    1 TT
    Seal of Reflection

    Not 40 cards yet. I'm throwing around ideas such as Future Fusion and Pot of Avarice, Super Rejuvenation, possibly a one-of Nuit because it's useful (rarely, but sometimes...), White Elephant's Gift, Advance Draw, Delta Flyer. I'm thinking of using Card Car D when it comes out alongside possibly Tragoedia. I was also thinking of using Advance Draw to consolidate the REDMDs after pulling them out with Atum, since there's no Gustaph... Bah, I just need help. Hieratics are making me hurt. Siding shouldn't be too hard after figuring out the main, and the main is usually easier for me than the side. :|

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    Well, it looks like Konami's keeping the rarity bumps under control at the moment, so far only 2 important ones, though it really sucks that Photon Strike got shot up to secret. More money for me to spend on sneak day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MechaMoo View Post
    I love dragons. I mean I've been playing them since they came out (was playing some Blue-Eyes beatdown with Manju/Paladin before I quit 6 years ago and came back last year) and I'm really trying to make Hieratics work. I'm sure we've all seen the OCG Atem Turbo build, but without Gustaph it's difficult to make Hieratics work... In this last week of testing to try and get them going, I've been experiencing a serious load of dead draws, almost empty hands after making plays, and just feeling outright disappointed at the lack of ability to make them work.

    Right now I'm running on this for TCG...
    3 Eset
    2 Gebeb
    1 Nebthet
    3 Tefnuit
    3 Su
    2 REDMD

    3 Convocation
    1 Book of Moon
    1 Heavy Storm
    1 Dark Hole (a bit cautious about this, since field presence for monsters is high on my side after a while. Hate topdecking this after that)
    2 Mystical Space Typhoon (don't want to rely on Su too much. Especially since I have problem with hand size and having the right pieces)
    1 Monster Reborn

    Solemn Brigade
    1 TT
    Seal of Reflection

    Not 40 cards yet. I'm throwing around ideas such as Future Fusion and Pot of Avarice, Super Rejuvenation, possibly a one-of Nuit because it's useful (rarely, but sometimes...), White Elephant's Gift, Advance Draw, Delta Flyer. I'm thinking of using Card Car D when it comes out alongside possibly Tragoedia. I was also thinking of using Advance Draw to consolidate the REDMDs after pulling them out with Atum, since there's no Gustaph... Bah, I just need help. Hieratics are making me hurt. Siding shouldn't be too hard after figuring out the main, and the main is usually easier for me than the side. :|
    I've been testing Hieratics a LOT recently, and have tried many things, and ultimately, i think one of the first builds i made have worked the best, haha.

    http://i.imgur.com/5gj4I.jpg

    It's basically the Atem Turbo deck, but you play it with much more control, not always going for game right away (you can really only go for game if you have a Dr. Red in hand anyways). Leaving the field with a Strike Bounzer can do some real work against most decks (also, the volcanasaurus has become a second Strike Bounzer in my extra, too bad the card isn't TCG yet, haha).


    I'm still testing, but so far i think this has still been my most consistent build.

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    Been busy fine Tuning Hieratic Control. Being able to go 1st turn Stardust & Atum / Gaia Dragon is vicious and all it takes is 3 cards, lol

    Late game is when REDMD and Queen Dragun shine the brightest.
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    Mind sharing a build?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hakairyu-Kenshin View Post
    Been busy fine Tuning Hieratic Control. Being able to go 1st turn Stardust & Atum / Gaia Dragon is vicious and all it takes is 3 cards, lol

    Late game is when REDMD and Queen Dragun shine the brightest.
    If it's anything like the one you made a video of then I'm really curious to see how it'll be once GAOV is out.

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    Enjoy this madness.
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