The Official Dragon Discussion Thread

[Nineteen]

Disaster Dragon (in ALL forms) is a control Deck focusing on making your opponent waste resources and controlling the game speed.

Chaos (including Chaos Dragons) is aggressive, focusing on getting big Monsters on the field.

Hieratics are Hieratics. If the majority of Monsters have "Hieratic" in the name, and the general strategy of the Deck focuses on Hieratic Monsters, then it is a Hieratic Deck.

Focusing on Disaster Dragon, this is a copypasta of something I posted a few days ago. I believe these cards are what make a Disaster Deck. Without one or two of these, especially KMD, I don't think you can call it Disaster:

3x REDMD
2-3x Red-Eyes Wyvern
3x Masked Dragon
1-2x Exploder Dragon
2-3x Koa'ki Meiru Drago
1x Future Fusion
Plus staples (Monster Reborn, Book of Moon, etc). Some would even argue that 1-2x Apocralyph and 1x Dread Dragon are also essential.

[KotU]

You are running more Hieratic Monsters than normal Disaster Dragon monsters, wouldn't that qualify the deck as being more Hieratic than Disaster Dragon?

As for Dr. Red, I'm saying he IS the most important card in Disaster, and that remains true for Chaos Dragons and Hieratic Dragons. For example, thanks to the lack of a Rank 10 Xyz, you NEED a Dr. Red in hand to OTK as Hieratics. It just doesn't work otherwise. Maybe if you had something like a Gorz on your field prior to trying to combo off, but comboing off with an empty field can only OTK with a Dr. Red in hand.

So, this brings up the question of what exactly defines Disaster? Is it having Dr. Red as the centerpiece that allows the deck to be so versatile and win (this is what I believed), as it looks like you believe? Or is it more than that? If it goes by our definition, then Chaos Dragon is just a variant of Disaster, like the Egg Turbo, as opposed to a deck that is completely different and belongs in a different thread. Sure, Chaos Dragon also fits in the Chaos thread, but it's not like we're talking about Wind-ups here. It's still a Dragon deck focusing on abusing REDMD, and Disaster Dragon is the "pure" dragon deck where REDMD really started to stretch his wings, so this thread would be where dragon deck builders would turn to first.

The same could apply to Hieratics, except they are more separate than Chaos, given that Hieratics are an official "named" archtype and Chaos is more a fanbase coined term. So there's more weight to the argument that a Hieratic deck should be posted and discussed in the Hieratic thread.

Either way, seems like nobody should be chased out of the Disaster Dragon thread for talking about a variant of Disaster Dragon. Just because Disaster isn't in the title, or Dragon is second in the title, doesn't make the deck something completely different, like Wind-ups or Dark Worlds. And let's be honest, Dragons of Chaos, Disaster of Chaos, any deck name involving twilight...those all sound really, really, really awful.

Disaster Dragon does not revolve around Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon at all, if it did then it would have never been able to branch out from Hopeless Dragon. All variants of Disaster Dragon, including Egg Turbo, revolve around Control..... with Egg Turbo just being more aggressive with its method of control. The key monsters in Egg Turbo are Totem Dragon & Light and Darkness Dragon, not REDMD!

Adding a few Hieroglyphs to Disaster Dragon is fully possible, while maintaining the Deck's base aspects of Control. Chaos Dragons runs only 1 Dragon found in Disaster Dragon, which that Dragon is found in all Dragon Decks..... while the Deck runs very few Traps if any at all. Hieroglyphs are not only a separate archetype from Disaster Dragon when ran as a pure Deck, but it doesn't come even remotely close to any form of Control.

Btw, both Rich & myself have made successful Hieroglyph hybrid Decks..... since it really doesn't require much to do, you only need a few Hieroglyphs as they are there for adding just a hint of speed in getting out Queen Dragun & Stardust Dragon.

[anarchylord]

My question is, why are people not focusing on Photon Stike Bounzer? It seems to me like the best way to use Hieratics in disaster is to abuse it's ability to put a puesdo-Dolkka on the field in a hurry.

[Scubasage]

I play Chaos the same way I used to play the old Disaster Dragon deck. Sure, Chaos is more aggressive in that it has a much higher monster count and no traps, but forcing opponents to spend tons of resources to try and get through a softlock from Lightpulsar and Dr. Red while the dragons slowly whittle away at the enemy's lifepoints seems like a control mentality.

Both decks I picture as a spring. They are coiled super tight and optimized to be as efficient as possible...and then they both explode in a game ending move. They have similar recovery in the case of something going wrong as well. I'd say Chaos has slightly higher recovery, and the cost of being slightly more vulnerable during the pre-explode stage.

Course, I think the idea of running hand traps instead of traditional traps in Chaos Dragons is just due to the immense amount of destruction in the format atm. 3 MST, Heavy, 2 Torrentials, Dark Hole, not to mention stuff like Inzektor Hornet. It's just not safe to really lay down anything on the field that isn't a powerful monster (and even that isn't very safe) or something very chainable.

Anyways, it still comes down to what exactly is necessary to be in the deck and in what amounts for it to be called a variant and not a different archtype entirely. As for Chaos only running 1 dragon from Disaster, when I first saw Lightpulsar I thought for sure that would warrant an auto include at 1 or 2 in Disaster decks, along with maybe 1-2 Eclipse wyverns as tech (gold sarcs #3 and 4). But other than Apocralyph, the deck hasn't changed since the time I was playing it.

[Dudewitbow]

I personally do not see lightpulsar and eclipse wyvern being a must in Disaster. I can see lightpulsar being a tech at most, but not eclipse wyvern because you need a form to remove eclipse wyvern from the grave, which usually involves chaos monsters, which turns the deck more aggressive and less control. Lightpulsar IMO would fit Hopeless Dragon's needs much more than Disaster can, unless you were playing the virus varient.

[AFA567]

So who here is going to be at YCS Philly? It's going to be my first YCS so I'm pretty stoked.


Also, i need some opinions, though it might be bias to ask here, what do you guys think i should run, Egg Turbo, or an OTK Hieratic build? Both have been doing really well and I've been planning on playing hieratics at Philly since they were released in the OCG, but recently my egg turbo deck has been doing really well.. Opinions on which deck will be stronger against rabbit/inzektors at philly?

[KotU]

I play Chaos the same way I used to play the old Disaster Dragon deck. Sure, Chaos is more aggressive in that it has a much higher monster count and no traps, but forcing opponents to spend tons of resources to try and get through a softlock from Lightpulsar and Dr. Red while the dragons slowly whittle away at the enemy's lifepoints seems like a control mentality.

Both decks I picture as a spring. They are coiled super tight and optimized to be as efficient as possible...and then they both explode in a game ending move. They have similar recovery in the case of something going wrong as well. I'd say Chaos has slightly higher recovery, and the cost of being slightly more vulnerable during the pre-explode stage.

Course, I think the idea of running hand traps instead of traditional traps in Chaos Dragons is just due to the immense amount of destruction in the format atm. 3 MST, Heavy, 2 Torrentials, Dark Hole, not to mention stuff like Inzektor Hornet. It's just not safe to really lay down anything on the field that isn't a powerful monster (and even that isn't very safe) or something very chainable.

Anyways, it still comes down to what exactly is necessary to be in the deck and in what amounts for it to be called a variant and not a different archtype entirely. As for Chaos only running 1 dragon from Disaster, when I first saw Lightpulsar I thought for sure that would warrant an auto include at 1 or 2 in Disaster decks, along with maybe 1-2 Eclipse wyverns as tech (gold sarcs #3 and 4). But other than Apocralyph, the deck hasn't changed since the time I was playing it.

LightPulsar would only be ran in Disaster Dragon as a 1-of so as not to increase the amount of Dead Draws to a bad amount. Meaning it is a possible tech for some, not a staple for all! Eclipse Wyvern isn't ran at all because it requires a method of Banishment from the Graveyard, which is only reliable with the Chaos Dragons, which require too much space to allow for the cards necessary to actually control the opponent.

Disaster Dragon is more of an anti-meta Deck that happens to have speed once it gets a Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon or 2 on the board, the Deck favors 1-4-1 trade-offs that it initiates. LP Dragon can easily be caused to miss timing, & also the Hand is much more of an issue with Chaos Dragons than any variant of Disaster Dragon. Disaster Dragon has many single card recoveries, much more than Chaos Dragons actually, while Chaos Dragons has much more aggressive recovery.

Nothing has changed about the comparison between Disaster Dragon & Chaos Dragons, Chaos Dragons is much more similar to Hopeless Dragons now as it was when it 1st appeared on the scene..... Chaos Dragons is just a much better version of Hopeless Dragons.

I personally do not see lightpulsar and eclipse wyvern being a must in Disaster. I can see lightpulsar being a tech at most, but not eclipse wyvern because you need a form to remove eclipse wyvern from the grave, which usually involves chaos monsters, which turns the deck more aggressive and less control. Lightpulsar IMO would fit Hopeless Dragon's needs much more than Disaster can, unless you were playing the virus varient.

^^^This!

So who here is going to be at YCS Philly? It's going to be my first YCS so I'm pretty stoked.


Also, i need some opinions, though it might be bias to ask here, what do you guys think i should run, Egg Turbo, or an OTK Hieratic build? Both have been doing really well and I've been planning on playing hieratics at Philly since they were released in the OCG, but recently my egg turbo deck has been doing really well.. Opinions on which deck will be stronger against rabbit/inzektors at philly?

I would say that Egg Turbo is much more reliable, both Hieroglyphs & Chaos Dragons succumb to Inzektors much more easily than Egg Turbo. But then comes the dilemma that Hieroglyphs can get past Egg Turbo with greater ease than the other Decks due to its speed! So it pretty much becomes which Deck do you expect to see more of, Inzektors or Hieroglyphs? I personally believe that both Inzektors & Chaos Dragons are both currently more popular than Hieroglyphs!

[Scubasage]

I would say Egg Turbo. Hieratics are lacking recovery and a proper OTK is too inconsistant atm (really, really needs a Dr. Red in hand or Gustav Max when it is finally released), whereas I'm assuming Egg Turbo is significantly more consistent.

[AFA567]

It's still a tough decision.. as far as a difficult time OTK-ing, it's usually not too hard, i either need a red-eyes in hand, bls, Monster Reborn, or an extra su or nebthet in hand. Still deciding, both decks are looking good right now.


Anyone else gonna be at philly?

[Akamu7879]

Hey guys just tweaked my H.D. deck and added more Disaster bite to the deck with good ole LADD. I'm still messing around with the side deck and always continuing to improve the deck and try to make it acceptable among Disaster Dragon duelists alike.