Fixing the metagame ourselves.

[blue mechanic]

nobody really likes DAD roaming aound and winning everything, but rather than complaining to UDE/Konami about changing the banned list, (which could happen) we should work on building a deck which can beat DAD, and other FTKs.

[System357]

nobody really likes DAD roaming aound and winning everything, but rather than complaining to UDE/Konami about changing the banned list, (which could happen) we should work on building a deck which can beat DAD, and other FTKs.

Any Deck that beats DAD is the next problem.

[blue mechanic]

gladiator beast isn't really that big a problem is it?

[NARUTO3107]

nope gladiator beasts arent a problem but the thing is it seemed like no one was prepared for it. do u think if ladd was combined with gladiator beast wont that be a problem since it will negate many anti gladiator beast cards

[Ishark]

Any Deck that beats DAD is the next problem.

The problem is not a deck which beats DAD, the problem is if a new deck appears which consistently beats DAD AND all the other deck types. I've nothing against DAD in particular, just that it works well against anything.
Come on: DAD is on the same level of Chaos Sorcerer: it's as easy to summon, you can easily summon multiple copies of it, and it erases the opponent's field. They could have at least made it reasonable, like in "you need 3 darks to summon it and you must return 1 or 2 of them to your deck to perform the summon".
In any case I stand by my previous message: the "mass return" cards must die, ban for DF and RtffD.
As for testing "all possible cards": nope, no way, it's not even remotely needed. You KNOW from the start that draw power means increased chances of OTK combos, so limit or slow them. Cards with +2/+3 or more potential should be seriously limited. TT and MF are in this group (and DAD should be as well).
For drawing: Graceful is a +0 hand renewal and is banned. Pot of Avarice is very costly to activate. Trade-In starts to be dangerous. Destiny Draw is easily abusable, but still linked to a theme. Allure of Darkness is too easily abusable. I agree on high-speed cards, but at least make them -1, like Card Destruction, Hand Destruction, Reload, Magical Mallet or make them dangerous, like Reckless Greed.

[System357]

The problem is not a deck which beats DAD, the problem is if a new deck appears which consistently beats DAD AND all the other deck types. I've nothing against DAD in particular, just that it works well against anything.

Six Samurai won against DAD. Gladiator Beast won against DAD. Neither Deck has proven it can "beat" DAD. If I were to tell you that Gladiator Beast could win against DAD before last Sunday, you would laugh, and then probably say any Deck can win once. But if I were to tell you that DAD could win against Gladiator Beast "anytime", you would probably say that nothing can beat DAD (like you have already stated above).

Thats the difference. Winning is something anyone can do, but not always when they want to. Beating something usually means that there is little that can compete against it.

So, that is why I said anything that can beat DAD is going to be a problem.

[lilmotto]

Well I am sure there are people out there making decks specific to beating DAD decks. The problem may be they are not being matched up against DAD decks and are not getting a chance to face them. I have a feeling there will be less DAD decks in the next finals due to all their "accomplishments".

[blue mechanic]

ofcourse any deck that would end up beating DAD would be a problem, but if DAD got banned then we would end up having a deck replacing it which gives people a problem anyway. besides, people complained about monarchs for ages, and the only reason they stopped being popular is because of D.A.D.

[System357]

ofcourse any deck that would end up beating DAD would be a problem, but if DAD got banned then we would end up having a deck replacing it which gives people a problem anyway. besides, people complained about monarchs for ages, and the only reason they stopped being popular is because of D.A.D.

lol... Monarchs? What are they? Its like they have all but disappeared. Thats whats so funny. "Be careful what you wish for!!" Everyone wanted Monarchs Banned or Limited, and in essence, we got that, but we also got something much worse in the process.

[Shining_Blader]

lol... Monarchs? What are they? Its like they have all but disappeared. Thats whats so funny. "Be careful what you wish for!!" Everyone wanted Monarchs Banned or Limited, and in essence, we got that, but we also got something much worse in the process.

yeah a lot worse (not that I care anyway) but people complains about chaos, people complains about monarchs, people complains about DaD... GEEZ! Instead of complaining why aren't you go to make some decks or strategies that can actually beat DaD? yeah, its always better complain than do anything... just leave everything to Konami isn't it?!

People all complained about monarchs and «using monarchs isn't any funny or original at all» and now nobody cares about them! everyone now complains about DaD decks, dad this, dad that... please... a lot of people just likes to complain about the cards that they can't actually beat thats all!

and don't start saying «you shut the hell up blader! you don't know what tha crap are u talking bout! I went to a tourney this weekend and I was kicked in the *** by a DaD deck! it wasn't you so SHUT UP!» my friends... what tha hell did I have to do with that? wanna blame me for having lost agains a dad deck? do u think lose to a dad deck in a tourney its a excuse for your bad playing? I ask around why do people hate dad decks so much and some peoplo just said «go to a tourney and get ur *** kicked by a dad deck. them, u'll know why». Actually I've already lost a lot of times to dad and u don't see me complaining about that do you? «because dad decks aren't original!» --> thats not a excuse dude so shut up...