Timeshifted .... how rare?

[MonsterRain]

Ok, a Timespiral booster pack has 15 cards.

1 Timespiral rare
3 Timespiral Uncommons
10 Timespiral Commons
1 Timeshifted (purple) card

If you were going to ratio out the rarity of a rare/uncommon/common Timeshifted card... you could say that:

Rare= 1:15
Uncommon= 1:5
Common= 12:15

So, now that the 'Timeshifted' monkey wrench has been through in there, would it be safe to assume that the 'Timeshifted' card will have the same chances of being Rare/Uncommon/Common?

If this is true then:

If you wanted to make a complete set of Timespiral and there are 80 rares in the set... and your guaranteed 1 rare per booster pack. With those odds your BEST case scenario is you complete your set by buying:
80 Booster packs

If you wanted to make a complete set of TimeSHIFTED and there are 43 rares in the set and you are guaranteed 1 rare at a 1:15 ratio, your best case scenario is you complete your set buy buying:
645 Booster packs

645 Booster packs




645 Booster packs... BEST case scenario with a 1:15 rare ratio.


Ok, scarier thought.

If you wanted to make a FOIL Timeshifted set using the same data and adding in a 1:7 ratio of a rare card being a 'Primium'. You best case scenerio would be:
4515 Booster packs


What will this mean to the card market?

People are obviously are going to spend a TON of money trying to complete these sets. The market will demand that people buy more boosters to accomplish this goal.

If people do this then:

Timespiral rares will be less rare (More will enter the market by people trying to get rare Timeshifted Rares)
Timespiral Uncommons will be less Uncommon (More will enter the market by people trying to get Uncommon Timeshifted Uncommons)
Timepiral commons will be... coming out of EVERYONES EARS.

Ok, Discussion time... am I totally off base?

Are people going to be charging 25-50 tickets for chase Timeshifted rares?
Is the value of the best Timespiral rares going to plummet due to market flooding?
Are you going to have to win a championship or two just to afford Timeshifted rare playsets just to remain competative??

These things scare the hell out of me... should I be worried?

[GenericKen]

Given that the timeshifted cards are all technichally reprints, I can't imagine the tournament scene driving the prices up too high (other than for the reprints that are already rare and popular); all the demand would have to be from collectors, and I think they're patient.

[Christen]

Timeshifted are a notch rare than normal rares seeing as there are 121 timeshifted cards and only 80 rares.

The prices for the timeshifted ones will depend on how rare the original ones were. Let's say Dauthi Slayers are common back then, so the price increase wouldn't really be high. Psionic Blast was printed back in Unlimited, so expect it to be higher than usual (but not higher than the original ones I assume).

[Rba]

I had a foil Solk Nar the Swamp King but my case got stolen :(

Was actually in my Tournament Pack come to think about it.

[Murderdolls]

Two Foil Desolation Giant cards were found at my pre-release event (about (50-60 contestants, yes It's a very small country). So, I'm guessing certain cards are rarer than others, and some foil timeshifted cards are even rarer still.

[solemn_86]

Well, Psionic Blast is going to be a blast.....in price

[buddelicious]

At the same time these boosters are worth more. Suppose your building the set and open a booster, cracking Wheel of Fate and Avatar of Woe.

You've just opened like 20 dollars worth of cards probably.

After creating this situation I've come to realize rare drafting is gonna be hell of alot easier with two rares per pack. With two rares you will always get passed a rare first pack. Making the minimum amount of rares drafted is at least 6. If one being a money or chase rare you've had made back your money pretty easily.

[drahcir]

Timeshifted cards or P cards was warp to make the game more interesting by Wotc but the most valuable was those cards that been reprinted that doesn't have a foil card before like the cards from unlimited up to weatherlight expansion and one more thing they were Black border as they come back or from being Timeshifted to the present...that makes sense why all the P cards will be much more sought than the Time Spiral cards, imagine that you never had a chance to have a Psionic Blast in your whole life and it happens after you been freaking lucky to open a booster pack of Time Spiral how awesome is that, that's why the price of the foil P cards is more higher than the Time Spiral cards and the original print or the hype of the cards just makes the price went up...i'm not expert to this! You can say that a Foil P cards like Akroma will be called as a Ultra Rare?

That's what i've think of it!

[Hedgemo]

It just smells like the first stop onto a long and very lame path that ends with singles being for sale directly from WoTC. Works for yugioh. We'll see how long their reserve list lasts once the pressure for $$ comes down from Hasbro.

Introducing extra-rare cards sucks enough, but making 90% of the list of extra rares completely useless? Come on, that's a slap in the face. Mindless automaton, Jasmine Boreal, Arena, Leviathan, WAR BARGE, the list goes on and on and on. It's a giant pile of junk with a few format-changing(breaking in some cases) cards spattered in it.

Tormod's Crypt and Gae's Blessing never needed to come back to standard, that's two deck archtypes thrown directly out the window from just 2 cards(not that milling ever won, but kiddies liked it). Not to mention poor extended, but I won't even start on that.

I'm generally just pissed off about the whole thing. I like timespiral, but the timeshifted BS has really turned me off of the whole expansion. I just got done breaking my bank over the Ravnica land cycles and am really not in the mood to have brand new 80$ playsets of old cards floating around agian.

[Bastard_Sun]

there is no difference in the rarity of a timeshifted Akroma vs a timeshifted Squire, so in a best case scenario you only need to buy 121 packs, not 645 or whatever.

true it will be more difficult to get the foil timeshifted set, but not as time consuming as it would be to get a foil set of TS 121 vs 301. Also, Wizards will eventually stop their print run of TS when they start printing Future Sight more than likely, so there wont be an influx of rares. The biggest thing is, since the Timeshifted cards are reprints, there are already more of them then there are TS rares.

Its great that i can play with Stormscape Familiars with a purple expansion symbol, but they are no different than the 32 Japanese, 16 Korean, 16 Chinese and 8 English ones i already have.

[MonsterRain]

I'm more concerned about the Online market (MTGO).

Online, the store is open 24 hours printing dollar bills and people consume and consume. Tons and Tons of packs enter the market from tournements and people buying packs to play in tournements, stores buying up 1000's of packs to sell in there stores online.

In corner card stores, they might begin to be harder to come by the time Future Sight comes out, but online, people will just be maxing out there credit cards buying packs to get chase rares sets and completing sets. The bots will be raking in the tickets selling those chase cards at a premium price because a VERY large percentage of the Timeshifted rares have never seen online play which will blow up the demand (Perfect example of this happening in the past is the 'Swords to Plowshares' card in the Coldsnap themedeck. It never would have seen online play, and you can only get them by buying the theme deck... naturally they sell from bots upwards to 9 tickets for a card that might only cost you $2-3 in a store).

Some cards that HAVE seen online play, like Akroma sell for 6 tickets... I imagine that the online version might command the same value maybe a little more to start, where as Psionic Blast will EASILY open at a the 25 ticket range due to it's SCARY demand and pitiful supply. Expect Foil Psionic Blasts to be in the 50-75 ticket range.

[Bastard_Sun]

eh, I left the virtual market when i quit MMO's. That was already thousands spent on entertainment (cable bill+monthly fees for 2 - 3 years for 2 accounts), but I have nothing to show for it in the real world now. I heard something about wizards giving out sets when you complete full ones or something, but MTGO has no actual face value for me as long as programs like MWS and Apprentice or even Magic-League are available.

I may not be able to hop into an 8 -man draft every 30 minutes, but i am also just as fine buying boxes for 35-60 dollars and charging friends 5-8 bucks to draft.....if i feel like charging

[MonsterRain]

MTGO market is great if your a BOT/STORE and you have 100's 1000's tied up in inventory. Your going to turn a profit as long as your selling as much as your buying. The reason why it's so good for the 'bot stores' is that they buy collections online for about 1/4 of what they sell them for but pick up about 70% of those collections they don't need or is a pain to turn over. Online they will buy exactly what they can turn over quickly for about 40-50% what they sell them for.

As a player/non-store, you do have some value in the stock you collect. Most of it has online play/trade value. If you say purchase $1,000 of online cards, immediately, you can only expect to turn it over for about $200-300 selling on e-bay. If you were to take that $1,000 of cards and hock them online for tickets, and sell your tickets on ebay, you can probably turn it into closer to $400. If you were to hold onto those cards for about 2 years you'd enjoy playing with them and get a lot closer to what you paid into them. In the end it's free entertainment... you just have to be patient with it.

People that started playing MTGO online when it first came out, and put $1000 into IPA boosters and didn't trade off all the chase cards... they are sitting on close to 3-4k worth of product they can turn over in a heartbeat at Ebay. Sure the tables are turned, and the online market is much bigger and the cards aren't nearly as rare that have been recently 'printed' if you will, but the online community is growing at an alarming rate... the amount of Onslaught block cards is so much bigger than the IPA card pool, but in 2 years, the customer base has doubled and they aren't printing any more of them... you can see that the cards are thinning out and that will make them more valuable the more players enter the game.

Investing 1000's of hours and monthly fee's into Worlds of Warcraft might yeild you $500 illegaly on e-bay but there is no guarantee you'll make your money back.

So online, yes, in the shortrun, it is a bad investment... but if you take it for what it is, and are patient, you'll still have something to show for it in physical cards or an online sale.

[Galvatron]

timshifted replace a caooomon in the pack the same applys to shiny card board as well