Coldsnap Impact

[raybomb]

CSP-legal Standard is right around the corner, and we've all had the time to test and digest the cards.

Which cards will see play the first day that CSP is legal, and which will take a while to be discovered?

[Flameous]

Any mono colored deck, mainly MGA I guess will change to snow lands and include Scrying Sheets and possibly Mouth of Ronom. And Viper of course.
Rune Snag will find its place where before was Mana Leak.
Adarkar Valkyrie will propably take places of big finishers, especially cause it has awesome synergy with legendary dragons and even more with Greater Good. Yosei locks might see a new sunshine.
Then there are those cards that have decks build around them like Tamanoa and Haakon.
Then there are a couple of good cards like Vexing Sphinx, pitch cards and Braid of Fire which are looking for a deck and most likely will find it.
I'm not listing the surpricing cards for obvious reasons.

[fishfood]

Rune snag shouldn't replace mana leak, but be more like a mana leak 5-8, IMHO. Viper will be played like no tomorrow, of course...

[Guinhenhas]

Rune Snag isn't that great in an environment where you can play Remand, Mana Leak, Hinder and Voidslime :/

Scrying Sheets is a bomb, I've made and tested it in a couple of decks and its really most of the times a new Library of Alexandria.

Well, I guess will see what standard might look like for a couple of months thanks to that late Japan National ;)

Decks based on Haakon, Tamanoa and Braid of Fire may not (most likely won't) be that good.

Well,

[Risky]

Phyrexian Ironfoot looks like the actual best three drop instead of the Viper.

[ShintenSuken]

Phyrexian Ironfoot looks like the actual best three drop instead of the Viper.

You're kidding, right? A slightly cost efficient creature that needs mana in order to untap doesn't sound all that promising to me. It's a possible combo engine and a solid blocker if undisturbed, but isn't nearly as good as the combination of card advantage and creature kill that the Viper offers.

[drahcir]

The best or maybe one of the best card that will bring chaos in coldsnap, might be Zur the enchanter....it digs enchantment.

No question about the viper impact..it just remind of shadowmage Infiltrator!

[Galvatron]

The best or maybe one of the best card that will bring chaos in coldsnap, might be Zur the enchanter....it digs enchantment.

No question about the viper impact..it just remind of shadowmage Infiltrator!it aint clos to the finkletrator, plus lik befoe its in and eviormaent er thre are tomany ways to get rid of it UNLIKE the finkle it dos not have an evasion ability such as fear

[The Exile]

Rune Snag > Mana Leak. An early Rune Snag basically retains the suefulness of the card for the mid and late game, whereas Mana Leak will be all but useless. All you lose is a bit on the first play of the card.

MGA is going to split into two camps, one snow and one non-snow. It's not an automatic addition.

[solemn_86]

Rune Snag, the new Counterspell........gonna replace Mana Leak as the most favoured counter around

[Risky]

You're kidding, right? A slightly cost efficient creature that needs mana in order to untap doesn't sound all that promising to me. It's a possible combo engine and a solid blocker if undisturbed, but isn't nearly as good as the combination of card advantage and creature kill that the Viper offers.

Color matters. Viper hits too soft for an aggro deck's taste, and may not find the right home in a control deck because of its colors.

Ironfoot, on the other hand, is going to be one of the first cards people add to any Scrying Sheets deck.

[rAndz]

Color matters. Viper hits too soft for an aggro deck's taste, and may not find the right home in a control deck because of its colors.

Ironfoot, on the other hand, is going to be one of the first cards people add to any Scrying Sheets deck.


agreed. but ironfoot vs viper is very debatable.
one or two things more about the ironfoot is that it has practically has vigilance and it can block the pro creatures all day which i think
are both huge considering it is an efficiently costed 3/4 crit.
maybe b/r decks will finally have a chance against tier 1 decks wid Paladin En Vec and/or the pro-knights.

[Rakavolver]

Haakon, Sheets, monoblack, and orzhov control. Orzhov Control will be just like Solar Flare, 'cept without the blue, and possibly with sand martyrs (I'm tempted). Mostly white too, to abuse Sunscour.

I think. Who knows? The Japanese, I guess. Everyone else spends too much time on draft.

[Tariq]

More like Mana leak will become Rune Snag 5-7. nobody in the control camps runs full sets of mana leak. In the aggro builds, mana leak being better the first time is too important to swap out, and 12 counters is too many for the faster builds already packing Leak and Remand.

Haakon is the heir-apparent to Solar Flare, only his matchups against U control are better. Obviously, his power will drop before states unless WotC gives us a replacement for Gifts, but if they do, watch out. Self-recurring pro {Black, Red, and White} creatures are nasty to sit across from.

[Axey]

Risky wrote:

"Phyrexian Ironfoot looks like the actual best three drop instead of the Viper."


I agree, it is a great piece of work. The having to pay to untap is not a punishment. The idea behind the thing is that you can swing and then untap during your opponent’s turn for pseudo-vigilance action. Not all players will make the mistake but somebody will attack and then you untap and block. See limited.


Day 1:

- Haakon deck will be a good deck that will impact the meta. However it is very easy to hate out and wreck, just no one will think of it for a while.

- Scrying Sheets= Instant draw for the masses, if played correctly. If nothing else add snow mana. Is deck dependent though.

- Rune vs. Mana Leak

- Zur the Enchanter = happy Axey and a potentially powerful deck, am playing it on August 24th.

- Adarkar Valkyrie will be seen in several different decks right away.

- Someone will play Dark Depths and then rip the card up after a tournament, praying that the next card he gets will be a pro player card instead of Dark Dpeths. :) (play DD in Extended…)

Down the road:

- Other unrecognized deck types may include: UR Rimescale Dragon Control (even if RsD leaves the zone and comes back later, its effect still works, unlike let’s say Circu; and that could be big) UR Wafo Tapa may add Rimescale Dragon.

- WW/x Soldier decks that bank on Field Marshal to be Anthem on a stick.

- Mouth of Ronom will be good in the right deck. Really, this thing is underrated.

- Lightning Serpent will make Sligh possible again. Specifically an unorthodox RW version. Red players rejoice, superfast aggro burn. LS will go up in value. I generally hate red, but this card rocks.

- Red got more than green, but none of it really fits into Gruul or Zoo.

- Ohran Viper will be recognized as mediocre at best, but retain its high price in the secondary market, because people will continue to pay for it. Really, it is not all that good.

[Concede2me]

Amazing how nobody has read ironfoot, you can only use ability during upkeep.

[Flameous]

And I wonder what you have been reading since it can indeed be untapped whenever you like.

[deadwater_d]

i would vote that he is looking at soulgorger...and prolly also wondering how it untaps...

[NorrYtt]

Top + Scrying Sheets is an engine that beats most of the other per-turn resource generators. This is stuff like Firemane Angel and Muse Vessel. However, it isn't better than turn 2 Dark Confidant or turn 3 Phyrexian Arena. Top+Sheets does make up for it in robustness as being nigh-impossible to stop.

I personally think that Resize is considerably better than Giant Growth, and it should see a bit of play. For example, there's almost zero creatures in Standard that can survive a Zoo creature + Resize. That Snake deck could recover Resize twenty times if it really wanted to, and Resize works in a Gifts package (Snakes could play just 1 Resize and sculpt a Gifts package of say Sosuke's Summons, Resize, Tribe Elder, Coiling Oracle).

Mouth of Ronom should become the utility land of choice over Quicksand (but not over Miren). I'll be playing Gelid Shackles in Ghost Dad to finally have an answer to Meloku. I'm also experimenting with splashing Zur into Ghost Dad since he's pitchable to Shining Shoal and the < 3cc enchantment toolbox is already there for Tallowisp (include an Arena in this case).

[snowden]

Not one person has mentioned Counterbalance. Mark my words: until Time Spiral robs us of Sensei's Divining Top, Counterbalance is the best card in Coldsnap.

[DragonkinBlood]

Agreed and also I've been testing COntrovert and Surveiling Sprites, and Counterbalance, and it's been good so far, when your fairy dies you get a draw and a counter or more

[Wiley]

Those cards are too slow and too unreliable. Stop this nonsense.

[Flameous]

Counterbalance is a good card but not in standard. First, you rely completely on Top for library manipulation. Second, there is no good way to fetch Top during first two turns. Third, even when you can have control of the top three, it's not sure you are going to counter anything.

However Counterbalance actually has use but it's mainly in legacy where you have Brainstorm, Top, Scroll Rack and Mystical/Enlightened Tutor to counter target spell.

[Rakavolver]

Top + Scrying Sheets is an engine that beats most of the other per-turn resource generators. This is stuff like Firemane Angel and Muse Vessel. However, it isn't better than turn 2 Dark Confidant or turn 3 Phyrexian Arena. Top+Sheets does make up for it in robustness as being nigh-impossible to stop.


OK, that's it then, I'm playing Top Sheets AND Bob AND Arena, and probably in Rakdos splashing just enough red to make 'em sweat. If I deck myself, then I deck myself. Such is sometimes the price one must pay for having balls of steel.

"Top Sheets," hmmm. Now all we need is a combo called "Short Sheets" and I'll have seen everything.

[Phenix]

Counterbalance is a good card but not in standard. First, you rely completely on Top for library manipulation.

How about telling time? Completely viable card, and accomplishes the same goal (albeit only for one time). As a plus, TT also works nicely with top because it gives some new cards on top of your library to look at.

[Flameous]

Gotta admit I forgot that one completely. I don't know, maybe it's actually possible in standard. I think I have to give it another shot.

[darkmage88]

sheets is a fine card......but u have to play bad cards to make it work.....
even if 30% of ur deck is snow lands....

but i guess 30% of the time it works all the time.....kinda like sex panther

[Galvatron]

Those cards are too slow and too unreliable. Stop this nonsense.thew question is will the next block be slower i hope hazards is no trying to slow the game down again.

[Rakavolver]

How about telling time?

It's a wonderful card in Combo decks like Ideal, and horrible everywhere else. I've tried it in Haz's control deck, it didn't work.

However, Wizards is pretty good in trying to kill outrageous combo decks. It spoils the fun for those of us drawn to Aggro, Control, and Aggro-Control.

Wizards also hates decks based around Mountain and Island, because if Blue or Red get chops, we tend to gravitate toward those. You will never see Mogg Fanatic or Jackal Pup or Cursed Scroll or Fact or Fiction reprinted, ever again, and for good reason.

Wizards do make their mistakes though from time to time, and stuff slips through. They're not perfect. They're very good though. R&D, I mean. Not Wizards management. Wizards management has been terrible in 2006. And the year's only 2/3's over.

Hey, Wizards! How's Coldsnap doing? Flying off the shelves, is it? Pfft.