I Just Got the Power 9 for $74!!!!!

[Pensive]

Hi guys:

While you losers pay thousands of dollars to play in Type 1 format, I don't. I've got great connections. I know a dealer who sells Black Lotuses for $18.00 and Moxes for $7 a pop. He has a suitcase full of powerful cards; I don't know where he gets them.

Oh, and he gave me a Scaled Wurm for $1.00 as well! 7/6 for only :7: :g: . With my moxen, dual lands, and BL, that should come out on the second turn or so.

Now, I just need to figure out how to play well, so I can start winning games. It shouldn't take too long now that I have teh ubercards.

Pwn3d you peasant-poors without Black Lotuses! Pwn3d pwn3d pwn3d!

-pensive

[Pensive]

Edit: I meant $174 instead of $74.

[johnnyd2]

1. your full of BS

2. GTFO NOW!

[Pensive]

I'm not. He sold me the Power 9 (and a bunch of other good cards) for $174 total. I thought it was a damn good deal.

I'll tell ya, though: those Alpha cards sure are flimsy. They feel like they're not even real Magic cards.

[Dyne]

lol, probably because they weren't. I think this needs to be locked, like, right now, before this guy says anything else that deserves a slap upside the head.

[Pensive]

If you think they're counterfeit, then maybe you're right, but I really don't care if they are. I have no intentions of ever selling these cards to anyone, so it's not like I'd rip anyone off. I'll just play with them in tournaments pretending not to know; if they get confiscated, I'll buy another set. (I play regularly in high-stakes tournaments, so $174 is not a big expense.)

[Benobi]

First off, they're obviously counterfeit. If the guy has a suitcase full of rare cards, then he obviously knows about Magic and card values, and that he could get more than $174 for Power 9. And Scaled Wurm isn't even worth a dollar; You're obviously an idiot, and a guy like that knew you were an easy target to scam.

Second, this is the standard forum. Power nine =/= Standard.

And finally, You're not going to find many places that hold tournaments for old cards like that, and if you do, they're going to be quite knowledgable on which cards are real and which are fakes. If you get caught with a fake Power 9, they're NOT going to go easy on you.

[wutever]

btw scaled wurm sux

[Pensive]

I was kidding about the Scaled Wurm. It's an Ice Age common. It's a great card in an elves/commons deck. The reason I made the joke is that I bought a SW for $4 back when I was new to Magic and IA hadn't even been released; it was anticipated as uncommon because no common above 5/5 had been released (aside from the 6/4 Craw Wurm, which is tied).

Anyway, I bought the Power 9 for $174 knowing they might not be real. I don't care, because I can still use them in tournaments. You said:

If you get caught with a fake Power 9, they're NOT going to go easy on you.

Thing is, I haven't checked. I never will. I don't know if they're real or not. However, I know that no one will check at the tournament; it would be extremely rude. So the probability of me getting caught is already close to zero. In the off chance that I am, what can they do? 1. It's never illegal to use counterfeit if you don't know, and I wouldn't know. 2. It's not illegal to use counterfeit cards in tournament play. Against the rules? Sure, but not illegal. What is illegal is to make or try to sell counterfeit cards, but I'm doing neither. So the worst that could happen is I'd be banned from tournaments for a few months, but probably not even that because I'd play innocent: I'm a victim of counterfeiting.

[Benobi]

Good morning, Pensive! Wake up and read the Tourney rules! People get banned for playing fake cards. I hope you do too.

[Pensive]

If they banned me for using fake cards, when I didn't fvcking know they were fake, I would go Massimo Esposito on them in a millisecond; all the ambulances within a 30-mile radius would converge on that one site.

It's questionable whether someone should get banned for playing fake cards anyway, given that it doesn't actually affect the game at all. (It's not cheating.) However, if they banned me when I didn't know they were fake, I would pwn them so badly that the word "pwn" would be retired and people would have to use "qwn".

[Isgee]

Don't you have morals or a conscience? Blatantly trying to cheat the price guide by doing something you know to be wrong. Have fun with your fakes, troll.

[slayer91]

ok....u think buying packs is stupid but u spent 174 on fake cards and all they will do for u is get banned and laughed at by the rich 13 because the only way u could beat them is by cheating

[Wydogg5305]

Dude, who are you? One thread ur talking about how kids get everything from their parents because you cant afford stuff, the next thread ur saying how you (didnt get anything) bought a set of power for $174 and some wurm card for an additonal $1. This story is obviously false and no one would ever make a thread about doing this and then in the same post say that they are fake. Please think about things before u post 2 (countem 2) useless threads.

[GenericKen]

You might want to step through your logic again, Pensive.

Worst case scenario, they don't believe you, DQ you in the finals just before you're about to win, and ban you from all tourneys from life.

Best case scenario, when you get catch you, you claim you were duped, they believe your paper-thin story, you get DQed from the tournament, and you never get to play your $175 fake cards again.

Most places don't hold Type 1 tournaments very often anyway, so it's not like you'll be playing the power 9 a whole lot.


Just letting the rest of you know, got an eye on this, so keep it clean.

[Pensive]

I have no idea whether or not they're fake. If they're not, awesome. If they are, I don't care. They'll never catch me, because they're extremely convincing and I doubt they'd check anyway. (What, do they check every deck under the Microwave Test?). I've run all the tests on them and they pass. You guys are all just jealous that I was able to get the P9 for $174.

Playing with counterfeit cards isn't cheating at all. It's completely fair. Yes, bringing extra cards into Sealed Deck is cheating; I'd agree. One who enters Limited format agrees to abide by the restrictions. However, there's no functional difference to the game, in Constructed, between bringing in a real Black Lotus and a counterfeit one. Ergo, it's not cheating.

[GenericKen]

It's not really cheating if you're playing with friends, but it's most certainly cheating if you try to bring fakes into an official DCI sanctioned tourney. You would be playing in defiance of rules that other players have followed.

You're free to play with friends with fake cards even if you're banned for life, but then, you could've played with paper printouts in sleaves for a lot less than $174.

[MagWeasel]

You clearly and obviously suspect the cards are fake. You already admitted to as much. This means your motive is at fault regarding not verifying; suspecting you might have fake cards and not checking places you completely at fault for playing with counterfeit cards.

If your irl acting is anywhere as good as your online acting, you're screwed if you get caught anyway.

And it is always the responsibility of the buyer AND the seller to make sure that the merchandise is as advertised and as expected. If you failed in your consumer obligation to make sure you weren't being scammed, that is ALSO your fault.

Double fault = Game, set, match. I won't be looking here again.

[Benobi]

You got them for $174, of course their fake! And you said they're so flimsy they don't feel real. I personally don't own any Alpha cards, but a friend of mine runs a whole set of Alpha Llanowar Elves in his Greater Good deck, so I've seen them; they aren't flimsy, my friend, and if you throw down a paper-thin card at a tourney, that's game over.

Don't try to pretend they're real; they're fake and you know it. Normally, I'd feel bad for someone like you, but with your attitude, I have no sympathy.

[Pensive]

It's not really cheating if you're playing with friends, but it's most certainly cheating if you try to bring fakes into an official DCI sanctioned tourney. You would be playing in defiance of rules that other players have followed.

You're free to play with friends with fake cards even if you're banned for life, but then, you could've played with paper printouts in sleaves for a lot less than $174.

No, it's not cheating. There's no functional difference between bringing in a real Black Lotus and bringing in a fake one. Drawing extra cards? That's cheating, and people should be banned for it. Stacking the deck? Again, people should be banned for it; it affects the game in an unfair way. However, the rule that one cannot play with cards one does not own does not support the design of the game, nor make the game better for the players in it. That rule just exists to make WotC a lot of money that they would not make if people could print cards themselves.

What about this, then: N (large N) people get on the Internet and agree to time-share a Black Lotus. Does this not allow a lot of people to use that Lotus cheaply? Is it not an efficient arrangement? If I proxy it, I'm doing nothing wrong because, in the relevant hours, I own the thing. Since I own it, I can do whatever I want with it, and that includes proxying it to protect it from wear and tear. This is, after all, America and not some fascist country.

[Benobi]

I'd like to start a "Don't Ban Pensive" petition; Everything he says is a stitch, and I would be quite depressed to be denied my every-five-minute laugh.:D

[Pensive]

You got them for $174, of course their fake! And you said they're so flimsy they don't feel real. I personally don't own any Alpha cards, but a friend of mine runs a whole set of Alpha Llanowar Elves in his Greater Good deck, so I've seen them; they aren't flimsy, my friend, and if you throw down a paper-thin card at a tourney, that's game over.

Don't try to pretend they're real; they're fake and you know it. Normally, I'd feel bad for someone like you, but with your attitude, I have no sympathy.

$174 is a lot of money; I'd suspect that if they were fake, they'd be around $20 or something. Anyway, he had lots of these cards and was trying to unload them, as I said earlier. Price is determined by supply and demand, but he had a huge supply to unload; hence, lower price. I got lucky. Deal with it.

I was kidding on the flimsiness; the cards are actually fine. I was just paranoid. You say, though: "if you throw down a paper-thin card at a tourney". Well, these are the P9; therefore, they will be in sleeves.

[GenericKen]

When you submit to join a tournament, you submit to follow the rules of that tournament.

While some tourneys might let you proxy a power 9 to protect it from wear and tear, I can't imagine any tourney letting you do that without seeing the card first.

As for timesharing cards, it's perfectly legitimate. Friends lend cards to each other all the time. But then you have to ask yourself how much you trust your friends, much less complete strangers on the internet.

[Pensive]

When you submit to join a tournament, you submit to follow the rules of that tournament.

While some tourneys might let you proxy a power 9 to protect it from wear and tear, I can't imagine any tourney letting you do that without seeing the card first.

As for timesharing cards, it's perfectly legitimate. Friends lend cards to each other all the time. But then you have to ask yourself how much you trust your friends, much less complete strangers on the internet.

They can see the cards if they want. I've already run all of the tests. They pass. You're just jealous of the fact that I got the P9 for $174.

If timesharing is legitimate, then I have the right to proxy a card I "own" if I do not have it physically present. QED. Therefore, I get N of my friends together and we timeshare a Black Lotus (proxying it so as to avoid having to mail it back and forth) from the Internet. Problem solved. This is a reasonable and affordable way to use the P9 in a tournament. Of course, that's not a problem for me because I already have the P9.

[Benobi]

$174 is a lot of money; I'd suspect that if they were fake, they'd be around $20 or something. Anyway, he had lots of these cards and was trying to unload them, as I said earlier. Price is determined by supply and demand, but he had a huge supply to unload; hence, lower price. I got lucky. Deal with it.

I was kidding on the flimsiness; the cards are actually fine. I was just paranoid. You say, though: "if you throw down a paper-thin card at a tourney". Well, these are the P9; therefore, they will be in sleeves.

$20? Try $1000-2000, for Black Lotus alone. And if you don't believe me, click here (http://sales.******************/search.php?substring=Black+Lotus&Go.x=22&Go.y=11).

And of course they'd be in sleeves, but a flimsy card is still flimsy in a sleeve. You got conned. Deal with it.

[GenericKen]

They can see the cards if they want. I've already run all of the tests. They pass. You're just jealous of the fact that I got the P9 for $174.

Not especially. Nobody really holds P9 tournaments anymore.

Most people buy the P9 because they'd like to think they could sell it for more later, or just to reclaim some nostalgia from their youth. These people are insane.


If timesharing is legitimate, then I have the right to proxy a card I "own" if I do not have it physically present. QED.


QED how?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=qed


Timesharing's fine; you don't even have to own the cards you play. However, the card has to be present. Some T1 tournaments actually have a proxy rule that lets players proxy up a couple of cards without owning em, but that's completely different. I'm pretty sure no tournament would allow any proxying of cards otherwise.

[Pensive]

$20? Try $1000-2000, for Black Lotus alone. And if you don't believe me, click here (http://sales.******************/search.php?substring=Black+Lotus&Go.x=22&Go.y=11).

And of course they'd be in sleeves, but a flimsy card is still flimsy in a sleeve. You got conned. Deal with it.

They really aren't flimsy at all; I was just paranoid.

I know that real Black Lotuses run $1000+; I was saying that a fake one wouldn't cost much. $174 is enough in the middle that either possibility (real vs. fake) is feasible. You all just don't believe something this good could happen... but it did.

[Pensive]

I'm pretty sure no tournament would allow any proxying of cards otherwise.

Then the people running the tournaments are fascists and they shouldn't be in America. They need to be deported. If I own the cards, then I own the cards. For example, if I own an acre of land in Alaska, and happen to have a remote camera, and I see someone squatting, I have the right to tell him to leave. Similarly, if I own a time-shared Magic card out on someone's desk, and I have present ownership of it, I have the right to use it in any tournament I want. That's my right as an American, and anyone who tries to oppose that can suck it.

[Benobi]

They really aren't flimsy at all; I was just paranoid.

I know that real Black Lotuses run $1000+; I was saying that a fake one wouldn't cost much. $174 is enough in the middle that either possibility (real vs. fake) is feasible. You all just don't believe something this good could happen... but it did.

No, it's not. Nobody sells a $1000+ card for $174, especially not an experienced dealer. And besides, you said you got the Power 9 for $174. That boils down to about $20 each, a bit short of $1000 I think. You've essentially just confirmed that these cards are fake and that you are well aware of that fact.

[slayer91]

but its a game and it has rules so u need to fallow them or dont play!

[Pensive]

No, it's not. Nobody sells a $1000+ card for $174, especially not an experienced dealer. And besides, you said you got the Power 9 for $174. That boils down to about $20 each, a bit short of $1000 I think. You've essentially just confirmed that these cards are fake and that you are well aware of that fact.

I know that it's hard for you to imagine this, but some people are just really nice people.

[GenericKen]

Fascists how? If anything they'd be despots, not fascists.

In any case, they're neither. The tournament rules are there for a reason: in this case, the card has to be there to prevent the same card from being played in two different tournament decks at the same time.

It's within the DCI's rights as an American corporation to DQ you for violating their rules, especially if you have nothing that even resembles contractual rights with the company since you've not actually purchaced any of their products.

[Pensive]

Fascists how? If anything they'd be despots, not fascists.

In any case, they're neither. The tournament rules are there for a reason: in this case, the card has to be there to prevent the same card from being played in two different tournament decks at the same time.

It's within the DCI's rights as an American corporation to DQ you for violating their rules, especially if you have nothing that even resembles contractual rights with the company since you've not actually purchaced any of their products.

They are fascists for attempting to tread on my rights as an American. If I own a card, I have the right to play it. Period.

As for the "reason" of preventing the same card from being in 2 decks at once, well... if two people time-shared from the same source, it would be obvious because it would draw attention.

I have purchased their products. I just bought the P9 for $174!

(The ! is an exclamation point, not a factorial mark.)

[GenericKen]

That would not make them fascists. Fascisim is very losely defined, but almost nobody defines it as anti-property or anti-Americanism.


You have the right to play the card on your own. To play your card in a DCI sancitoned tournament, in which you could win money, it'll have to pass through scrutiny. Wizards is under no legal obligation to let you into its tournaments, or even sell you its product, if they suspect any sort of impropreity. It is not your right as an American to walk into a McDonalds and be served without a shirt on.

You could walk into a library half-naked just fine, but private institutions are under no obligation to put up with your crap.

As for the "reason" of preventing the same card from being in 2 decks at once, well... if two people time-shared from the same source, it would be obvious because it would draw attention.

Not having the card present would itself be obvious and draw attention. You would probably be DQed and warned just to be on the safe side.

[Pensive]

That would not make them fascists. Fascisim is very losely defined, but almost nobody defines it as anti-property or anti-Americanism.

If you say that fascism is "very loosely defined", then don't I have the right to define it loosely enough to include the scenario we just discussed?

You have the right to play the card on your own. To play your card in a DCI sancitoned tournament, in which you could win money, it'll have to pass through scrutiny. Wizards is under no legal obligation to let you into its tournaments, or even sell you its product, if they suspect any sort of impropreity. It is not your right as an American to walk into a McDonalds and be served without a shirt on.

So it sounds like you're an anarchist. I guess I have no problem with that, if that's your thing.

Of course, under a more practical lens, we have this issue: Wizards could also decide that all cards with 'e' in the title are no longer tournament-legal and start banning people who use them. If they did, they would be judged to be heavy-handed idiots. There is really no difference between that scenario and the one in which they ban me for my almost certainly real P9 because one of them happens to "feel" counterfeit. If it feels real to me, then it is real. Who are they to tell me what to feel or what is real?

You could walk into a library half-naked just fine, but private institutions are under no obligation to put up with your crap.

Not having the card present would itself be obvious and draw attention. You would probably be DQed and warned just to be on the safe side.

Dairy Queen? If they were taking me to a place a bit more upscale, I'd go in a heartbeat. On the other hand, if I'm being treated, it would be rude to pass them up. Yeah, I'd go.

[slayer91]

they can tell u that it is fake because they made the real ones

[Pensive]

they can tell u that it is fake because they made the real ones

So the judges at tournaments are the same people who run the printing presses? Really? I had no idea.

[herring]

What determines the difference between "real" and "fake?"
A different configuration of molecules? Every individual card has massive imperfections on the atomic scale. I guarantee that every magic card on the face of the earth has its own unique make-up of atoms. How do we define which card is legal and which not? How many atoms does it take?
And if need be we can delve deeper into the atom, or even to string-theoretical levels. Your arguments are fundamentally flawed, and Pensive has all the right in the world to play his cards, since no authority, save God, is able to define what precisely differentiates a 'counterfeit' card from a valid, legal card.

[slayer91]

no but they work for the people who do and make the rules that u have to fallow thats what u dont understand if u dont like the rules then just quit or play by the rules like the rest of us

[Pensive]

herring to slayer91: PWN3D!

[slayer91]

how did u pwn3d me?

[herring]

Grammar notice: you can drop the '3d' from that word, 13 year old.
Your argument is barely 1-dimensional anyway.

[Pensive]

I think he's 14 or 15. 06 - 91 = 15 mod 100.

[slayer91]

1 pwn3d isnt a word
2 im not 13
3 what i said was true u guys a just crying because u cant make a real deck with real cards so u have fake one to beat the 13 year olds that have more money then u

[Pensive]

1 pwn3d isnt a word
2 im not 13
3 what i said was true u guys a just crying because u cant make a real deck with real cards so u have fake one to beat the 13 year olds that have more money then u

Uh, I'm pretty sure I have more money than most 13-year-olds, and better connections: look, I fvcking got the P9 for $174.

Also, pwn has wpn its way intp the English language, so fvcking deal with it. Qwn4f.

[herring]

1. It's a meme, and as such it carries sufficient information for me to use it in a message board. That, and you used it yourself.

2. You are a walking (unless you're in the special olympics) example of the arbitrariness of age. You act like most 13 year olds I know.

3. Defend the truth of your argument instead of pulling the whole 'class' insult on people. In fact, if having good cards is so dependent on being a rich person, WotC needs to work on spreading the cards across the socioeconomic gradient. Otherwise they really aren't a responsible corporation.

[slayer91]

why dont u actualy say the words instead of writing a short cut version so we can understand u

[herring]

You understood it perfectly well. Please find something worthwhile to argue about. You're just pointing out insignificant flaws to make yourself feel better.

And, along your lines of thought, please write "you" instead of "u," it helps me understand you better.

[slayer91]

feel better about what? i am right....the cards could be real....but u got them for like 1/10 of there full price thats almost unbeliveable noones going to do that.....they are flimsy so that could mean there fake...the only way to tell is to ask someone who really know but they are most likely fake

[herring]

OK, I'll accept that you're completely sidestepping the question of epistemology and being a pragmatist. I'd say it's up to Pensive to optimize his utility based on his set of beliefs. You have an incomplete information set, and thus have very little authority in advising him.

[slayer91]

no im being optomistic i do think there fake but there is a posobility of them being reall but a very slim one

[herring]

I care about about that as much as a Shivan Dragon cares about a private liberal arts college in Minnesota... Very little.

[atomsk77]

ive read the whole thread and all i can say is

BAN pensive

1. this is compelte spam and irrelevant
2. its obviously fake, i recently scoured the internet for people to buy a mox pearl from and it alone cost 150
3. pensives attitude is over the top
4. he has repeatedely changed his wording "they are flimsy" later on "i was just joking"

now i rarely advocate banning but everything ive seen from pensive warrants it because it trashes and desecreates the respetability of these forums.

[atomsk77]

and another thing

for only 150 bux

and a bunch of old foils, u can buy a lazer printer to print your own foil power 9!!!!

lol

[herring]

You know nothing.

[Haemoglobin]

Mods, this guy has started loads of pointless, off the topic threads where he even insults people because of their age (how sad) Please ban him and close this thread down.

btw Pensive you were clearly scammed :)

[Golgari_Spy]

Wow. This is a stupid thread.

We want scans if you even think that the Power 9 you got for $174 are real. And we want you to take them to actual judges and have them certify that they are real.

Then we just might believe you, Pensive Probably won't happen though, seeing as all you are is a pure attention magnet who can't handle criticism.

[desapig]

:confused: Um wow not only is it obvious pensive got scammed,
but each time he lost an argument he said "I was just kidding" or "It was a joke" and when everyone said his price was rediculus at the beggining he said "it was a typo" and then watzhisface :r: guy starts yapping on about how everything is inperfect at an atomic scale??? can we please just not waste this websites precious forum space???

[desapig]

So the worst that could happen is I'd be banned from tournaments for a few months, but probably not even that because I'd play innocent: I'm a victim of counterfeiting.

DUDE! MORALS!

and by the way for your other thread about 13 year olds and there parents? I'm 13, I don't get an allowence, each of my decks cost <$30 and I don't sign on to MTG forums and start dissing magic!!! dude, you must be a pretty messed up individual. Is that how you get kicks??? Becuase apparently you made at least 34 posts... in one day. And all of it was trolling. Go suck on your precious scaled wurm.

Pensive
:7: :g:

Creature- pensive

:t: target player becomes hated by an entire magic website.

At the beggining of your upkeep, put an "It's only a matter of time" token on pensive. When there are three "It's only a matter of time" tokens on Pensive, sacrifice it, get banned by tcgplayer, and get punched in the face by the moderators.







7/4

[wyatt290]

hahaha pensive you are the stupidest perosn i have ever heard of you are soo dumb and kepp changing your story.
you do realize craw wurm sucks eh? oh maybe not in a common elf deck lmfao!!! no0ne has ever gotten the complete power 9 set for 175$i tinhk you may have forgotten how to live and breathe or else you would realize your full of crap if i can see scans of the cards i might believe you but i know your a lying 12 year old kid trying to sound cool.

by the way ......read the rules fake cards= banned for life!

your gonna get banned very soon im assuming.

[dgnr82]

Wow, I love when people can't admit they were scammed. Hey Pensive, take it from a dealer of Magic cards, "You got taken". I don't care how nice someone is, when they know a card is worth as much as the P9, they aren't about to sell them for the price you paid. They could just as easily go to a pretty well known auction site and sell them. And trust me, if you were to play them in a tournament and the judge determined they were fake, you would get DQ'd and then reported to the DCI for suspension. I've seen them do it for less than playing fakes.

[Benobi]

I'd like to bring this to everyone's attention;
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=416288&forum_id=2

Pensive's playing us all for fools. Seriously, how low do you have to be to do something like this?

[GenericKen]

If he's trying to get himself banned by being an ***, he's not doing a very good job.

Forum invaders have been known to be amused by less. Live and let live.

I do wonder how he graduated from college without knowing what fascist or QED mean, or any of his "rights" as an American citizen.

If our education system should do anything, it should at the very least train the kids to not be an embarassment in front of the other countries... :(

[Benobi]

I will never cease to be amazed at how amused someone can be by being an ***.

[arcane]

DUDE! MORALS!

Pensive
:7: :g:

Creature- pensive

:t: target player becomes hated by an entire magic website.

At the beggining of your upkeep, put an "It's only a matter of time" token on pensive. When there are three "It's only a matter of time" tokens on Pensive, sacrifice it, get banned by tcgplayer, and get punched in the face by the moderators.


7/4

hahahahaha.
is pensive already banned? please say yes.
pensive: u r either full of BS, and actually never got those P9, or u got fake cards and won't admit it.
this is the most stupid (yet one of the funniest) forum ever. please no more posts (specially pensive).
also, 150 is less than a mox! i'd like to see pensive at a T1 final and getting disqualified for his turn-1-fake-lotus-fake-moxes-fake-scaled wurm-$147 combo.
today's lesson: 13 year old kids should not start stupid threads (specially about fake P9) to get embarassed and occupy forum space

[Darksteel-Titan]

Man I just read parts of this forum and parts of the one where you flame all the "spoiled 13 year olds". My first thing id like to say is this...you go on and on about how ur a "22 year old in the real world" and whatever and "You have a real job"...dude stfu alot of the people who play magic have real jobs and buy thier own cards. By coming on this site and saying how much better than all the other ppl for doing that, it just shows how much of a jackass u are. And yeah...lots of kids do spend alot of money playing magic, but guess what...spending money on cardboard so u can spend some time playing a game with some friends isn't any worse than spending it on dope or whatever and getting drugged out(which many of us do anyways but thats a different matter altogether). Also its no worse then about 95% of the other hobbies people have in this world. And if people enjoy doing it...its there money so who are you to judge them? Secondly one way or the other about ur "P9" purchase...if you felt it was a good deal well good for you however more than likely you were scammed but if u don't care than whats the difference? However coming on here and bragging about it like a moron makes u look like an even bigger jackass. To tell you the level of apathy I have towards it...I care even less that you got these P9 than you care that they are fake. And not to mention for future reference I think there is only 1 or 2 DCI sanctioned vintage tournaments per year in which the cards being real or not would come in to question and probably all that would happen is that you would be DQ'ed from the tournament and a warning would be given to you and if the offense was repeated at future events some harsher action would be taken. The majority of vintage tournaments that are played aren't DCI sanctioned and allow like 10 proxies anyways so basically for tournament play value u spent 74 dollars to get what you could have accomplished by taking 9 basic lands and a marker and writing "Black Lotus", "Ancestral Recall", "Mox Ruby", "Mox sapphire", "Mox Emerald", "Mox Jet", "Mox Pearl", "Time Walk", and "Time Twister" on them. But like you said...you don't care if they are real or not so why should we? Oh and please dont bother to point out any grammar/spelling mistakes...I really don't care I typed this in a rush so whatever...

[Haemoglobin]

Mods why hasn't this guy been banned yet? He has made 34 posts in one day just of trolling and insulting people. I have got to say Pensive you are the saddest person I've ever met. You think you're extremely cool 'cos you've got loads of money, you go round flaming people and just got scammed and won't admit it (pls say thx to the guy who sold you those cards :) )

As for your thread about spoilt 13 year olds, I'm 14, my parents don't buy me all my cards, I buy them myself from the money I save up, so I would appreciate it if you just shut up.

Also your thing about American rights has got to be the funniest thing I've ever seen.

[arcane]

ok, u r 13. that's cool. u r not an idiot.
pensive is 13, that's cool. but he's an idiot.

[Galvatron]

pensive why are you trying to kill your IQ ,credibilaty, and your reputation at the same time?
you deserve the stupid an gullable tags.
I'm willing to bet money your doing it all to get attetion to your self.
you sound like some kid i know.
btw has pensive been ip kicKed yet?
i swear threads like this make you wonder if ther should be a humor section on the forums. LMAO

[slayer91]

lol why hasnt this thread been closed? someone please close this!

[Haemoglobin]

ok, u r 13. that's cool. u r not an idiot.
pensive is 13, that's cool. but he's an idiot.

Actually he's 22. Told you he was sad.

[Pensive]

If he's trying to get himself banned by being an ***, he's not doing a very good job.

Forum invaders have been known to be amused by less. Live and let live.

I do wonder how he graduated from college without knowing what fascist or QED mean, or any of his "rights" as an American citizen.

If our education system should do anything, it should at the very least train the kids to not be an embarassment in front of the other countries... :(

I do wonder why you would suspect that someone who is bragging about purchasing the P9 for $174 (especially when admitting the cards were flimsy) is trying to come across as an intelligent, reasonable person.

You clearly know nothing about how or why trolling is done, and your ignorance of even the most basic troll tactics astounds me.

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-Pensive

[GenericKen]

I do wonder why you would suspect that someone who is bragging about purchasing the P9 for $174 (especially when admitting the cards were flimsy) is trying to come across as an intelligent, reasonable person.


Namely because you misused the term QED while trying to sound eloquent. Good luck on those LSATs man...


So long as he continues to "pwn" this board in just the one thread, I'm not particularly bothered.

[Pensive]

The sad thing is that I don't remember whether or not the QED misuse was intentional. I was exhausted and slightly drunk.

I'm not a law student, so I won't be taking the LSAT, but thanks.

-pWnsive

[Golgari_Spy]

I'm still waiting for scans.

And proof that an actual tournament judge has certified that they are real.

Do you know what edition the cards would be from?