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Abhorsen
12-23-2005, 07:36 AM
IS THERE A SANTA CLAUSE?

Point #1 - No known species of reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species of living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are insects and germs, this does not completely rule out flying reindeer which only Santa has ever seen.

Point #2 - There are 2 billion children (persons under 18 in the world) BUT since Santa doesn't (appear) to handle the Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, and Buddhist children, that reduces the workload to 15% of the original total. - 378 million according to the Population Reference Bureau. At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million homes. One presumes there is at least one good child in each.

Point #3 - Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming that he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 822.6 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with good children, Santa has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left, get back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh and move on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 91.8 million stops are evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false but for the purposes of our calculations we will accept), we are now talking about .78 miles per household, a total trip of 75 1/2 million miles, not counting stops to do what most of us must do at least once every 31 hours, plus feeding and etc. This means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second, 3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second - a conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per hour.

Point #4 - The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized lego set (2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not counting Santa, who is invariably described as overweight. On land, conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that "flying reindeer" (see point #1) could pull TEN TIMES the normal amount, we cannot do the job with eight, or even nine reindeer. We need 214,200 reindeer. This increases the payload - not even counting the weight of the sleigh - to 353,430 tons. Again, for purposes of comparison, this is 4 times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth.

Point #5 - 353,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance. This will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as spacecrafts re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer will absorb 14.3 QUINTILLION joules of energy. Per second... Each. In short, they will burst into flame almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 4.26 THOUSANDTHS of a second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to centrifugal forces 17,500.06 times greater than gravity. A 250-pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force.

IN CONCLUSION - If Santa ever did deliver presents on Christmas Eve, he's quite dead by now!!!

RLRL
12-23-2005, 07:41 AM
*lalalalalalalalalalalala* not listening...

Santa is real..... Its a fact.... And he used to be Green!!!

Bullados
12-23-2005, 08:50 AM
I love that one, even though it's at least 10 years old...

redeyes15
12-23-2005, 11:49 AM
wow, you wrote all that, just to prove santa doesn't exist?

Salamence-trainer221
12-23-2005, 03:05 PM
....I thought you told me that you were way more intelligent than me. -__-"

RLRL
12-23-2005, 03:22 PM
Look... Father Christmas (Santa if you're american) DOES exist... he has to... otherwise Nightmare before Christmas would be completely untrue! Tsk Tsk... All you non believers make me sick!

Abhorsen
12-23-2005, 03:40 PM
wow, you wrote all that, just to prove santa doesn't exist?

Of course I didnt write all of that. I got it from one of my friends and thought that you guys would find it interesting.

Gibby
12-23-2005, 03:43 PM
Is there a Santa Clause?

That is a question up to debate for each person has their own opinion. The logical explanation (with facts as you have given) proves heavily that there is no possible way that there can be such. For this, I cannot compete and argue with logic that he does.

But for the fun of it, I will give explanations on each point and make a reference to a movie that I recently saw about it. I will do my best to give what detail I can of the movie (even if I cannot remember the specific title of that movie).

Point #1
I remember seeing this movie about the origin and coming of Santa Clause. It is a relatively old movie (not that old, but old enough) entitled Santa Clause the Moive.. Basically, it explained that the reindeer could fly because of one simple fact.

Normally, the reindeer are normal reindeer; nothing special about them. Right before they leave on their once a year trip, the elves combine some sort of magic and food that they feed the reindeer that give them the ability to fly, but it only last for one night.

Point #2
There was this great clay animation movie called (I believe) Old Saint Nic and the move was about how Santa Clause (Saint Nic) first got into the toy making deal. It was a nice movie.

What it basically expressed was that only those that believe will truly get the glory. It is sort of like that Christian belief. If you have enough faith as a mustered seed, then you have enough. Faith like a child sort of stuff. So how many people bellow the age of 18 actually do believe?

Point #3
Oh, I loved this movie: A Family Circus Christmas. In this movie, the middle brothers asks the older brother how Santa can deliver all the presents in one night. The older brother explains that

“Santa before he goes on his way has this watch, and he presses stop, and time stops. Then when he is finished he starts it up again.”

“Can Santa really do that?”

“Sure. Santa can do anything.”

“Anything?”

“Anything.”

“Wow.”

Point #4
In the movie Santa Clause with Tim Allen, this was shown when Tim first becomes Santa. While he is delivering the toys, he gives the first house all the toys that are in the sack. Then when he moves on to the next house, the sac is magically filled again with the appropriate toys for that house. A nifty idea really.

Point #5
With the explanation of “Point #3” I really do not have to get into this one that much. Sorry.

In Conclusion
I watch too many movies.

Abhorsen
12-23-2005, 05:17 PM
Lol, you do watch to many Christmas movies.

Well, my post is just proof that Santa cant deliever to every home in the world in one day (without the use of a Time Manipulation device or magic :p)

Hotaru_Tomoe
12-23-2005, 06:36 PM
Well, Santa is magic. DUH!!

Oh, and yes, Victoria, there is a Santa Claus. I don't care if your name isn't Victoria; that's what I choose to call you for now. So nyeh. :p

Abhorsen
12-23-2005, 06:57 PM
Santa is plainly a figure of our imaginations...

Are you calling me Victoria, lol? I dont care if you do :p

Pikachu
12-24-2005, 02:23 AM
I think you'll find he is very real...or...atleast he was.

[:The Real Santa Clause:] (http://www.click2biography.com/santa_claus/santa_claus_ch1.htm)

Abhorsen
12-24-2005, 03:13 AM
Wow, I didnt know that. I heard something like it before but that was years ago. Well, the 4th Century was a long time ago and the picture of Santa has probably changed dramatically since then. I dont think Nicholas would have been wearing a red hat and suit in those days :p

RLRL
12-24-2005, 07:32 AM
Like I said before, Father Christmas used to be drawn in Green not red... its wierd how that has changed... has anyone seen the original Narnia Series? (its about 18 years old now) it had a really different and interesting version that was also slightly unorthodox... I haven't seen the new narnia and therefore do not know if they did it better/worse... =)

Prof. Cinders
12-24-2005, 11:15 AM
The new Narnia is better, but I've got the old tv series on DVD. Father Christmas... I can't actually remember what he was wearing! But anyway, in the new Narnia he's wearing red. The only reason he is depicted wearing red these days is all because of that huge drinks company, Coca Cola. They first put him in red for an advertising campaign, and the image stuck. So basically the pictures you see with him in red are less than a hundred years old, any others are older (usually).

kimishiro
12-27-2005, 11:27 AM
Hey... I got a sweater from Santa Clause... so HA!

I'm 18... so someone has been telling you lies... cause apparently he delivers to adults as well. =p

Also note, God defies all sense of reality. Explain that one, biznatch.

Not everything has to make sense in this world, for we are too ignorant to grasp even the simpliest of universal concepts.

But yeah, I met the guy so BAM! And btw, he doesn't use a time stopping machine, thats just crazy talk. He's supernatural and can control time as if it didn't flow in one direction ,but on the contrary, every direction.

He can be at one house giving presents then alter time and space with a wink of the eye and a rumbley in his tumbley (Pooh bear >xD) only to appear in the next house over at the exact same time that he is in the other.

What does this mean? It takes Santa only a matter of minutes to go all around the world... He only flies around hoping for non-believers to catch a glimpse of him. =p

Pikachu
12-27-2005, 04:35 PM
Obviously this is where the space/time continuum theory comes in. Santa must be a 4 dimensional being therefor his perception of time is not like our own. While we view it as something that goes forward forever, Santa as a 4 dimensional being would see it as a circle or a sphere on which a moment in time is merely a speck on the sphere. Santa has the ability to pinpoint moments in time on this sphere and appear there and then. This ability means that arguments of speed and other such factors are void.

kimishiro
12-27-2005, 04:39 PM
Well, when you think sphere, you're thinking of course of the shape. Time is a sphere that is ever-expanding. Our minds can't begin to fathom the 'shape' of time, and so we are taught that it is in the form of a 'line'.

But yar, you got it.