Time Vault + Flame Fusillade

[Fire of Filth]

Well, everyone's talking about it but I haven't seen a thread about it yet. So, how exactly would you go about making this deck. Tutors, colours etc...Would anyone consider Holistic Wisdom, to get the Fusillade back? Or is that just mediocre? What about Overmaster to tick off control decks?

Thoughts? Thanks for your help.

:r: of :b:

[dark_knight_307]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Looks really fun, but seems really delicate. If you can't win after you Fullisade (for whatever reason) then you've just given your opponent a ton of turns potentially.

Thoughts?

[Unholy]

Getting through fusillade after time vault? I'm not even expert at vintage and to me that feels like a hard job..

[policehq]

Mana Severance and Goblin Charbelcher are easier to push through and less life-threatening. In addition, Goblin Charbelcher can win without Mana Severance, or at least ping annoying creatures.

Time may prove me wrong, but so far I'm unconvinced that resolving those two spells and winning is better than resolving (or Welding) Goblin Charbelcher and winning.

[Engine_number_9]

If you were to make it work, it would definately be in a Gifts deck. It's cheaper than the usual severence belcher stack to push through but requires red mana. The pile would look something like this:
Recoup, Tinker, Will, Flame this is at most 6URR compared against or 6RR if you put Vault in there instaed of FF and presume that Will will be game.
Recoup, Tinker, Will, Mana Severence requireing 8UUR at most
So there could actually be an advantage in using Vault and FF (I'm taking the assumption that my math is correct:S)

[Son of Satan]

or at least ping annoying creatures.

Haha, that reminds me the time I pinged my opponents Phyrexian Negator with Belcher to seal the game. Good ol' creature pinging. ;)

[policehq]

I really think people are pigeon-holing two-card combos into Gifts decks. Yes, it's very easy to set up, but neither of these cards are restricted, and I feel that Gifts is rather optimized as it is.

You'd have a lot more dead cards in your deck if you played 4 of each of the combo pieces, but at least test something different besides Gifts.

In the end, though, I think you're going to have to generate six mana after attacking with a Xantid Swarm for this to work against hate.

[jokre75]

hey would voltaic key work with time vault???

[MazerPriest]

hey would voltaic key work with time vault???


Not well. It doesn't get the time counter necessary to function. Check the Oracle wording - it has to skip a turn to get a turn.

[jokre75]

whadya mean not well? wouldnt you be able to untap it and get another turn to untap voltaic and have a continuos cycle? do you mean it HAS to skip a turn and that it wouldnt work with voltaic key period?

[Unholy]

Untapping with Voltaic Key doesn't say anything about adding time counter to it.

[Son of Satan]

Yea genius, it needs time counters in order for it to work. *rolls eyes*