Unimprinted mox

[task_mage]

At a recent tournament a judge gave a ruling that a unimprinted mox could produve clourless mana. We didnt belive him and i cant find a ruling to say hes correct!

So can a mox make colourless mana when its not imprinted??

[Drakonis Mage]

Nope. That make it absurdly powerful.

Taken from the official rulings.
Dec 1, 2004 - If no card is imprinted on Chrome Mox, the Mox can't add mana to your mana pool. It can't add colorless mana to your mana pool.

[task_mage]

thats we we said, a friend of ours lost casue of the ruleing, the guy was playing red so it was 2nd turn LD against him every turn.

We were pissed that a judge got it so wrong!

[LordOfWei]

If it was sanctioned, you can appeal the ruling and put him in quite a bit of trouble.

[epeeguy]

If it was sanctioned, you can appeal the ruling and put him in quite a bit of trouble.

People do not get in trouble from appeals. Even judges who make mistakes do not get in trouble from appeals (all judges make mistakes from time to time). The appeal process is simply a way to ensure that the correct ruling is given, and is something all players are entitled to.

However, spectators should not be arguing or even talking to the judge issuing the ruling unless the judge asks them a question. It is inappropriate for a bystander to be putting themselves in a situation where they are discussing the ruling with the judge and the players as well.

[task_mage]

We said nothing at the time incase ther had beena DCI ruling, but everyone else knew the rule, at least a judge should, only thing we could think of is that the judge was biased? or stupid!

Shame we cant remember who he was or we could let the T/O know he needs a brush up!

[epeeguy]

We said nothing at the time incase ther had beena DCI ruling, but everyone else knew the rule, at least a judge should, only thing we could think of is that the judge was biased? or stupid!

I will repeat myself: if you are a bystander to a match, then you have no business involving yourself in a ruling being issued by a judge. Certainly, call a judge if you believe there was a rules infraction, but do not participate in the ruling itself unless the judge asks you for information.

The players involved in the ruling are the ones who have the right to ask for an appeal to the head judge of the tournament (as outlined in the Universal Tournament Rules). If you, as a player, believe a ruling was issued in error then you should immediately ask for an appeal. Or, if you believe there was an incorrect ruling and you were not participating, you can certainly mention that to the head judge of the event.

But, the proper and only way to ask for an appeal is for one of the players to ask for one from the head judge.


Shame we cant remember who he was or we could let the T/O know he needs a brush up!

If you have a problem with an individual judge, whether it be rules knowledge or potential "abuse" of their authority or other kind of misconduct, the person to contact is Andy Heckt (who is the DCI Judge Manager). His email address is andy.heckt@wizards.com. Beyond that, any kind of discussion of an individual judge's conduct is inappropriate for any public forum (as it could disrupt an actual investigation).

[Guardian_Angel]

Along these lines, I was watching a game where one player accidently cheated by blowing an Engineered Explosives for two and did not destroy his own sacred ground which ended up that it would have greatly influenced the game. What should I do in this situation as I cannot jump right in and point out the mistake?

[epeeguy]

What should I do in this situation as I cannot jump right in and point out the mistake?

Immediately call a judge, but do not interrupt the game in progress (though, chances are shouting "Judge" at the top of your lungs will cause the players to stop and look at you as if you were insane). Saying anything to either player about what is going on in the game is inappropriate. Simply call the judge, and let them know what happened. We'll handle it from there.

[Fire of Filth]

The print on the card states that the mox will add 1 mana of the same colour of the card imprinted on it, nothing else.

:r: of :b:

[Risky]

The print on the card states that the mox will add 1 mana of the same colour of the card imprinted on it, nothing else.

:r: of :b:

Just to clarify, that means that there must be a card imprinted on it in order for it to produce mana. No imprinted card does not default it to colorless. If that were the case it would specifically say so.

The same principle applies if you imprint a card then remove it from the removed from game zone (by using a Wish for example). Since there is no longer a card imprinted, the Mox will "forget" and produce no mana.

[AJFirst]

but one could imprint a land or artifact and produce colorless, right?

[Zim Zam McGoo]

Chrome Mox
0
Artifact
Imprint — When Chrome Mox comes into play, you may remove a nonartifact, nonland card in your hand from the game. (The removed card is imprinted on this artifact.)
T: Add one mana of any of the imprinted card’s colors to your mana pool.


In a word, no.

[Chainer9999]

Oracle Text:
Imprint -- When Chrome Mox comes into play, you may remove a nonartifact, nonland card in your hand from the game. (The removed card is imprinted on this artifact.) {T}: Add one mana of any of the imprinted card's colors to your mana pool.

Thoeretically, you can't. Physically, you can't.;)

Edit: Damn, McGoo's reply wasn't there when I started making mine. Oh well.

[Drakonis Mage]

And for the record, even if you did manage to jank an artifact or land imprint onto a mox, 'colorless' is not a color.