Structure Deck 22: Dragonic Legion

[Ansem1013]

New Dragon Deck.
Apparently Features DARK & LIGHT Dragon type monsters.
Will feature 5 new cards.
Release date: 12/10/2011 (OCG)
Cover card: unknown for now

Sources:
yugioh wiki (http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Structure_Deck_22:_Dragonic_Legion)
Shriek (http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/38766486/)

Thoughts? Seems Konami's cashing in on Chaos some more lol

[oELBLAZEo]

I like that there's two ultras, maybe one light dragon one dark?

[bystander79]

New Dragon Deck.
Apparently Features DARK & LIGHT Dragon type monsters.
Will feature 5 new cards.
Release date: 12/10/2011 (OCG)
Cover card: unknown for now

Sources:
yugioh wiki (http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Structure_Deck_22:_Dragonic_Legion)
Shriek (http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/38766486/)

Thoughts? Seems Konami's cashing in on Chaos some more lol

As long as this isn't a signal that Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End isn't coming back we are okay.

There is a lot of new dragon, and light type support cards in the Photon Shockwave set (released in November for the TCG).

And the Order of Chaos set is supposed to be out around the same time this deck drops in the OCG. Perhaps Konami is giving us a chance to have easier access for the support cards.

Glad the next deck is Dragons though.

[MaJuV]

Dragons again? Kind of disappointed with their choice of type.
But light & darkness? Seems chaos to me :-)
Wonder what the new cards are gonna be...

Some guesses of reprints:
- Red-Eyes Wyvern & REDMD (as darks)
- DAD (perfectly fits the theme)
- Koa'ki Meiru Drago (as anti-light/darkness)
- Prime Material Dragon & Genesis Dragon (light dragons)
- Totem Dragon (good support)
- Masked Dragon (probably twice, he's included in EVERY dragon structure deck)

[troza]

If we get Red-Eyes Wyvern and Koa'ki Meiru Drago I will be happy with this deck :)

[obijuan]

i think 1 of the cards will be a Chaos Dragon of some type that require 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK removed to summon. hopefully it won't be too overpowering.

[Shawnic]

Maybe there will be BLS-EoB. Because if you see OCG. There is a lack of BLS-EoB in OCG! I hope they reprint him. =D And maybe Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon?

[Windfeld]

I pretty much think this deck would include the two mighty dragons; Blue-Eyes White Dragon and Red-Eyes White Dragon (supports, like Darkness and Wyvern, and something new for Blue-Eyes? Blue-Eyes Wyvern? Lol)

I also think there will be a Chaos like Dragon in this, like how Chaos Sorc is a lesser version of Black Luster, so we get a Chaos Infant Dragon - Envoy of Bottles? lol, joking aside.

Yeah, Konami is milking the Chaos Format again. Looks like 2012 for the TCG will be very... Chaotic :)

But me and my mate are happy this is coming out, cant wait to see what staples their gonna put into this deck. Any thoughts, like Judgment, Mirror Force, Dark Hole, Heavy Storm, etc?

[bystander79]

Dragons again? Kind of disappointed with their choice of type.
But light & darkness? Seems chaos to me :-)
Wonder what the new cards are gonna be...

Some guesses of reprints:
- Red-Eyes Wyvern & REDMD (as darks)
- DAD (perfectly fits the theme)
- Koa'ki Meiru Drago (as anti-light/darkness)
- Prime Material Dragon & Genesis Dragon (light dragons)
- Totem Dragon (good support)
- Masked Dragon (probably twice, he's included in EVERY dragon structure deck)

All fine choices to include.

These next few decks we are getting seem to be hard core.

First DW, then Chaos Dragons sweetness.

[Shawnic]

WOW! I would love to see a "chaos" type of dragon. It would be really cool. Talking about the reprints for the s/t maybe, Call Of The Haunted? I don't know, just a wild guess. And also konami would put some lame rykos in there? LOLS. They love to put the weirdest of cards in structure decks. And I have no idea why?

Speaking of dark and light. What do you guys think it would use? The graveyard like chaos deck or on the field effects like remove a monster on the field to summon those new monsters?

[bystander79]

Speaking of dark and light. What do you guys think it would use? The graveyard like chaos deck or on the field effects like remove a monster on the field to summon those new monsters?


I will say both.

[Shawnic]

Both? Unlikely. But it would be extremely awesome if you can remove the stuff from hand instead from the field and graveyard. If this happens, PLEASE konami put on the monster's effect: "If the monster is special summon this way. You cannot conduct your normal summon". Just an another wild guess. This is fun.

[obijuan]

i don't know but i can see a new Field Spell of some type considering that Konami has release the last 4 SD's with Field spells in it (I.E. Marik, Dragunity, Lost Sanctuary, and Dark Worlds).

[XAndraeus]

I want Samsara... pl0x.

[anarchylord]

Get ready for awesome dragons. Konami hasn't failed us in a year or two to put out a structure that makes the deck a threat

[bystander79]

Get ready for awesome dragons. Konami hasn't failed us in a year or two to put out a structure that makes the deck a threat

I agree completely.

[kid-chaos]

this entire idea makes me so happy. i love the theme of chaos no matter what it is, and i love dragons so much more!!! i'm hoping for redmd reprints, PMD, a weaker version of chaos emperor dragon (as the boss, i'd be so happy! i'd buy like 5 copies of the deck just for that card), a field spell for dragons only! ravine worked for dragunity, and on occasion some dragon decks use it, but still not great. i'm betting that the 2 ultras will be the dark and light bosses of the deck, and then the super be the card specifically used to bring them out, then 2 copies of the field spell, and a random support for them. sounds pretty viable, imo. i just can't wait for it!!!! any clues when it might come out?!?!?!?!? XD XD XD

[Windfeld]

Well, Considering the time between the Dark World OCG release and the TCG Release date, I would hazard a guess at somewhere in March-May (Just a guess though)

This deck has gotten me into the mood to listen to some Land where Dragons Rule by Dragonforce >.<

[RescueCat12]

♥♥♥♥♥♥
love this so much
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[Inan]

Oh man,this makes me moist. Cant wait to see the boss monster

[Velius]

I'm so ready for the spoiler! I must know what awesomeness awaits my dragons :P

[GX-Kai]

Actually would be cool if the boss monster is a LaDD but finally the Light and Dark aspects merged into one, creating a new dragon (Since LaDD employs both Light and Dark but both elements are split within it). But since it says 2 Ultra Rares, well then it would be boss monsters instead!! And for sure it's gonna be 1 Light and 1 Dark, no doubt. :P
I'm actually kinda excited bout this since Dragons were my favorite archetype in Yugioh (My very 1st deck is that SD1: Dragon's Roar... REDD was really awesome). But now if it's broken, then I'll buy them!! :D

[bystander79]

I'm actually kinda excited bout this since Dragons were my favorite archetype in Yugioh (My very 1st deck is that SD1: Dragon's Roar... REDD was really awesome). But now if it's broken, then I'll buy them!! :D

Dragons have been my favorite since the beginning of the TCG. It is why I bought the first Kaiba Starter deck, to get me a Blue Eyes!!!

[hiranyou]

ehhh i hate the dragons, like i think with a passion, so i hope we get a reptile or a psychic deck sometime

[kid-chaos]

dragons are amazing. how could anyone hate them!?

[Death87]

Chaos Dragons

Hell to the Yes!

Does anybody know the spoiler release date!

[bystander79]

Chaos Dragons

Hell to the Yes!

Does anybody know the spoiler release date!

Deck drops on December 10th in the OCG. Spoilers are usually see about 2 weeks before then.

[Death87]

Deck drops on December 10th in the OCG. Spoilers are usually see about 2 weeks before then.

Thanks, wish it was sooner though, dragons were always one of my favorites, now all they need to do is make a respectable rock deck.

[RescueCat12]

Grrrrr. Spoiler now please, Kev.

[bystander79]

Spoiler will come when it does.

[troza]

And before this deck we will have Legendary Collection 2, wave 2 of tins, the structure deck of dark world and (I haven't seen the date) maybe a new booster. That's just too many things to spend money on :D

[Ryuunaga]

I so see a Light and Darkness Dragon coming in this deck

Seems interesting enough wonder if this gives birth to a new dragon archtype

[bystander79]

And before this deck we will have Legendary Collection 2, wave 2 of tins, the structure deck of dark world and (I haven't seen the date) maybe a new booster. That's just too many things to spend money on :D

Yeah the Booster is called Order of Chaos, it will drop in February, and will most likely get a SE the month after. Konami likes to put SE on the 1st and 3rd mainstream booster sets of the year.

@ Ryuunaga:

Maybe in this deck. It got a reprint this year in STOR SE.

But there are 2 Ultras in this deck. The last time they did this in the TCG was the Marik deck, and one of those cards got banned effectively banning the other ultra card in the deck.

But i will love to see what the Dragons are.

[troza]

and photonshockwave, or whatever, doesn't come before order of chaos?

[RescueCat12]

Spoiler will come when it does.

It will, but I'm so pumped for this deck I just want the spoiler right now. I might think of a plausible list for this deck, I'll post it up when/if I'm done.

[troza]

Well... let's just hope they don't take out some major card of the deck like they did with agents (although I enjoy the shining Archlord Kritya)

[bystander79]

and photonshockwave, or whatever, doesn't come before order of chaos?

no it does Photon Shockwave drops in November.

[MaJuV]

It will, but I'm so pumped for this deck I just want the spoiler right now.
This is an OCG deck. With a bit of luck, you get the new cards about a month before its release & the full set a day before its release in Japan.

[Lord Naraku]

SO many boss monsters that can go in this deck. DaD, REDM, LaDD, Chaos Emperor Dragon, and BLS. Not including the two Ultra ones coming in deck. This thing will be disgustingly good. At least it better be or ill be pissed with another half a** dragon deck and i swear if Masked Dragon come into this deck ill go to japan and take a shotgun to konami employees. We need better engine for dragons, some draw power or something to get stuff out quicker, so no hoping for that one Future Fusion first turn.

[Agureghian]

someone doenst like dragons...
odds are whatever the deck is, it will be tier 1-2 like the other recent structure decks.

[Lord Naraku]

how do i not like dragons?? Its obvious i love dragons i just hope the next structure deck for us is good and not crap. Nowhere did i mention anything about not liking them.

[bystander79]

can't wait for this deck. Too bad it it doesn't drop in the TCG till next year.

[kid-chaos]

ugh, it needs to hurry up!!!!!!! i haven't anticipated a deck this much in.....ever!!!!!!

[bystander79]

relax. first we need to deal with the DW deck out next month and how that ill change the game

[MaJuV]

ugh, it needs to hurry up!!!!!!! i haven't anticipated a deck this much in.....ever!!!!!!
Freeze yourself in for a few months, then it'll go faster!

No, seriously. You'll have to wait at least until february / march until its TCG release, unless TCG-Konami plans another TCG-exclusive Structure Deck in between (like the Marik one).

[bystander79]

Freeze yourself in for a few months, then it'll go faster!

No, seriously. You'll have to wait at least until february / march until its TCG release, unless TCG-Konami plans another TCG-exclusive Structure Deck in between (like the Marik one).


take that back!!! Don't put ideas into Konami's head!!!

[troza]

What? If it were as good as marik's structure, it would be great :D

[bystander79]

What? If it were as good as marik's structure, it would be great :D

why would you want to delay this new dragon deck?

[MaJuV]

take that back!!! Don't put ideas into Konami's head!!!
Lol, looks like I'm touching a sensitive snare, there :)

I can predict a lot of horrible ideas that Konami could do!
[Evil mode on]How about: A Roid Structure deck (syrus based), just because they couldn't fit vehicroids in the Legendary Collection 2! That sounds horrible enough?[/Evil Mode off]

Seriously, here. I do hope they don't do anything like a TCG-exclusive one...

[troza]

I don't want to delay... I want to know if Koa'ki Meiru Drago comes in this deck :P

But if they made a great great TCG exclusive deck, it wouldn't be bad at all :P

[bystander79]

KKM is a great card. If they figure out a way to bounce it off the field in this deck it probably will be in here.

[troza]

From the first post, I doubt it... but hope is the last thing to die

[bystander79]

From the first post, I doubt it... but hope is the last thing to die


now they are doing it with structure decks. Which is good.

not the dumb deck type SE that won't sell.

[i-am-hades]

now they are doing it with structure decks. Which is good.

not the dumb deck type SE that won't sell.

maybe to the desperate six sam players

BTW on the 1st they were all home crying hehe

[bystander79]

I know they were crying. Half the play group I play against used SS decks, the other half ran Sabers. I was the only one using something different there.

[drillwarrior]

Chaos dragonz yaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Emolga 0]

A Higher Up in Konami must really Love Dragons, cause they are 100% the most supported type.

[Ansem1013]

EVERYONE really Loves Dragons, cause they are 100% the most supported type.
fixed that for you

sadly, no new info on the deck yet, as far as I know

[yamisol]

I don't know why, but the more I think of this deck, the more I think about the card Cosmic Blazar Dragon.

[MaJuV]

@Ansem1013: Too soon. This month, the only new info will probably be the cover card. In november, we'll see the other 4 new cards & in december the full list. (probability guess, might be later for all)

@Yamisol: Cosmic Blazar Dragon is NEVER going to appear. Accept it. Only the name was given in the show, never the card itself. So why would they even bother?

[yamisol]

@MaJuV: True true true, but Like I said, Only a thought. I mean it would be interesting and it would be something we wouldn't expect.

[bystander79]

@Yamisol: Cosmic Blazar Dragon is NEVER going to appear. Accept it. Only the name was given in the show, never the card itself. So why would they even bother?

Wait another broken dragon synchro?

We are getting Shooting Quasar Dragon why not have this one as a Jump sub promo too?

[Kishi_No_Ryu]

Hmm. Someone in the Higher Up offices must really love Dragons....

But still. This deck sounds interesting....

By the way, what's Cosmic Blazar Dragon?

[Windfeld]

Hmm. Someone in the Higher Up offices must really love Dragons....

But still. This deck sounds interesting....

By the way, what's Cosmic Blazar Dragon?

Cosmic Blazar Dragon is the true Delta Accel Synchro of Yusei Fudo (Delta Accel = 3 Synchros, 1 Tuner and 2 Non-Tuners) like T.G. Halberd Cannon. It would have appeared to Yusei if Yliaster had never interfered with the timeline.

In an alter reality Yusei obtained Top Clear Mind and obtained Cosmic Blazar Dragon. But instead he got Shooting Quasar Dragon. (Which has got to be the most broken card there is, even more so than BLS)

[bystander79]

Quasar seems broken with its negate anything effect, but since you can only activate that effect once per turn it isn't that bad.

It is the special summoning Shooting Star Dragon when Quasar leaves the field that puts it over the top.

[anarchylord]

Until you realize how hard is is to summon SQD. The reason that BLS is by far the superior card is that BLS is easily summoned. SQD comes out rarely.

[D.Knight Sevus]

A Higher Up in Konami must really Love Dragons, cause they are 100% the most supported type.

Not at all. Dragon support is limited to:

Lord of D.
The Flute of Summoning Dragon
A Wingbeat of Giant Dragon
Dragon's Gunfire
Stamping Destruction
Dragon's Rage
The Dragon's Bead
King Dragun
Dragon's Mirror
Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
Cards of Consonance
Dragon Ravine (well, halfway)

And most of that support is really, really bad. There are a lot of good Dragons, but not a lot of good cards for a Dragon deck.

[Windfeld]

Dunno if you left it out or not, but you didnt mention the Dragon Draw Engine with White Stone and Blue-Eyes combo with Cards of Consonance and Trade-In

Cards of Consonance supports Dragon Decks that runs Tuners, and even has White Stone depicted on it.

And Future Fusion (not just for dragons though) is one of the best methods of milling the deck for mass spamming summonings. They have alot of support, though sometimes indirect.

[BigStinkin'Ape]

COC is only good so long as you can draw into it's requirements (much like D draw)

ravine also is only good as long as you can continue to accumulate fodder.This holds true for Future Fusion.

[bystander79]

Until you realize how hard is is to summon SQD. The reason that BLS is by far the superior card is that BLS is easily summoned. SQD comes out rarely.

1 lv2 synchro tuner + 2 lv 5 synchros

1 lv5 synchro tuner + 1 lv 2 synchro and 1 lv 5 synchro.

If you have a deck that can spam Lv 2 and Lv 5 synchros summoning this shouldn't be a problem.

[MaJuV]

And Junk Doppel did that easily... All thanks to Formula Synchron & T.G. Hyper Librarian... (thank god they became limited)

[bystander79]

And Junk Doppel did that easily... All thanks to Formula Synchron & T.G. Hyper Librarian... (thank god they became limited)

T.G. Plant can do this as well.

[D.Knight Sevus]

Dunno if you left it out or not, but you didnt mention the Dragon Draw Engine with White Stone and Blue-Eyes combo with Cards of Consonance and Trade-In

Cards of Consonance supports Dragon Decks that runs Tuners, and even has White Stone depicted on it.

And Future Fusion (not just for dragons though) is one of the best methods of milling the deck for mass spamming summonings. They have alot of support, though sometimes indirect.

I suppose you have a fair point on Cards of Consonance, since it requires a Dragon-Type tuner, though Dragunity (and Dragon Exodia Turbo) use it better than pure dragons. Added to the list.

Trade-In and Future Fusion are not Dragon support, however, any more than Charge of the Light Brigade/Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter/Dopplewarrior are Plant support. They have powerful synergy with Dragon cards, but they do not specifically support dragons.

[Windfeld]

Hence why i said not just for dragons :P But it does work fairly well

But yeah, get your point. Moar Dragon only cards :P

[yamisol]

1 lv2 synchro tuner + 2 lv 5 synchros

1 lv5 synchro tuner + 1 lv 2 synchro and 1 lv 5 synchro.

If you have a deck that can spam Lv 2 and Lv 5 synchros summoning this shouldn't be a problem.

To accomplish something like this I think a quickdraw plant deck would help get SQD out quickly. Also, I didn't know there were level 5 synchro tuners??? O.o

[troza]

I only know one: T.G. Wonder Magician.

[Windfeld]

Theres even a Level 8 one; Life Stream Dragon.

1 Level 8 Synchro Tuner + 2 Level 2 Non-Tuner Synchros :P Though, thats just a pain >.<

[i-am-hades]

you could use 2 t.g. recipro with 2 Safe Zone, but its hard

[bystander79]

Too much of a pain with Lifestream.

Better the ways I mentioned.

[i-am-hades]

Too much of a pain with Lifestream.

Better the ways I mentioned.

Exactly. I don't know why Konami even made it a Tuner, if not for the show. The only things you can sync for are t.g. halberd, SQD, and that one level 10 ally of justice synchro.

[Windfeld]

Exactly. I don't know why Konami even made it a Tuner, if not for the show. The only things you can sync for are t.g. halberd, SQD, and that one level 10 ally of justice synchro.

Your forgetting Gottoms, Leodrake, Trident Dragion

[bystander79]

Well unless you have a deck that can spam Lv 2 synchros (TG Recipro Draginfly specifically). It is doubtful that you can get TG Halberd, or SQD out.

Lifestream plus 2 fluff token/D-Boyz/Treeborn Frog = AoJ - Decisive Armor


Trident Dragion is easy to do without Lifstream.

1 Dread Dragon + BEWD = Dragion.


1 Delta Flyer + REBD = Dragion.

Forgot to mention, when I think about this Chaos Dragon Deck, my mind goes right to LaDD. We could get a common version of this monster in this deck.

[Lord_Ivan]

Also Life Stream Dragon works very well with Level Eater, and if you have 2 Eaters on the grave you can ss them(LSD lvl 6), bulb, Recipro Dragonfly, summon Quickdraw, eater on Quickdraw, summon Drill Warrior(or Junk with the eater on the field) eater on Drill, eater on LSD then Quasar, it would work on a Quickdraw deck. Just saying you have to think on more options than LSD and 2 level 2 synchros

[bystander79]

Maybe but seems like a lot of work to me. Just to get SQD out.

[Lord_Ivan]

Maybe but seems like a lot of work to me. Just to get SQD out.

Also seemed hard to me xD so I thinked on a easier way to summon him (or seems easer to me jeje) with Life Stream, you only need a Life Stream on the field, a Doppel on hand and Eater, Bulb and Spore on grave. Summon Eater, LSD lvl 7, bulb eff, summon Dragonfly, Eater LSD lvl 6, Doppel eff, Spore eff(lvl2), synchro Armory Arm, then Quasar.

Also there are news about Dragonic Legion cover card or how much time we have to wait until they reveal it?

[bystander79]

Deck drops in December in the OCG.

Probably won't be getting much info on the deck until the end of November.

[troza]

Well... that's enough info about the future of Yu-Gi-Oh! Too many things to spend money until the end of the year!

[bystander79]

Yeah: DW SD, Wave 2 tins, Photon Shockwave, HA 5 (if you want anything from this).

Too many things to by too little money.

[troza]

Hidden Arsenal 5 comes before Xmas? OMG... my wallet is going to kill herself

[bystander79]

Beginning of December for HA5.

Again full set lists are out there, and so far nothing of interest has been seen. Unless you want to play a specific archetype like Gem Knights.

[troza]

No... I will only get some booster of it just for colection. But I might get that as particiaption booster at my locals

[bystander79]

better prizes than my locals.

new info about this deck been released:

http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/38766486/

Lightpulsar Dragon. This monster can fetch REDMD from the grave when sent to the graveyard.

BEWD
REBD
REDMD

have also been confirmed.

[MaJuV]

Awesome! This'll make combo-ing between pulsar dragon & REDMD endless!
Not only that, this card can be fun in a chaos deck, due to being able to special summon itself! :-O

[troza]

Seems good to me :D

[bystander79]

Seems good to me :D

Yeah it does, for the Ocg. Wondering what "edits" they will make to the deck for the TCG.

[troza]

As long as they get Koa'ki Meiru Drago in there... I know... from the first cards, it has nothing to do with this... but I still want him

[Windfeld]

This Light Pulsar Dragon... It creates ALOT of OTK's. One is Toon Cannon Soldier and Cannon Soldier. Either one will be getting banned if people abuse it.

Also, since this Dragon is Ultra, Im guessing there might be a "Dark Pulsar" version. I wonder if it will mirror this monster?

Edit: Took away Mass Driver, thought that card was still legal >.<

[ragda]

Well Mass Driver is banned, so that's out of the picture...

[Dudewitbow]

This Light Pulsar Dragon... It creates ALOT of OTK's. One is Toon Cannon Soldier and Cannon Soldier. Either one will be getting banned if people abuse it.

Also, since this Dragon is Ultra, Im guessing there might be a "Dark Pulsar" version. I wonder if it will mirror this monster?

Edit: Took away Mass Driver, thought that card was still legal >.<

Konami doesnt ban inconsistent otks or ftks. if that was true, Future Fusion and many loop cards would have been banned already, which is not likely to happen.

[Lord_Ivan]

Anyone have seen the Black-Rays Dragon rumor?, it's a card some people were talking about, here it is:
"Dark Rays Dragon
Level 6/Dark/Dragon/Effect/2100/600
This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. By returning 1 DARK and 1 LIGHT monster from your graveyard to your hand, Special Summon this card from your hand. During the turn that this card is Special Summoned, you cannot Normal Summon or Set."
I think it's a total fake since it is so broken with Light Pulsar Dragon, there are so many combos and it's very splashable in any chaos deck, lol bring back BLS and a D.D. Crow.

[Death87]

Light Pulsar is freaking amazing, and hopefully they'll release a spell that allows the deck to send dragons fast from the deck to the grave, like a type exclusive Foolish Burial, like lavals got.

[MaJuV]

Anyone have seen the Black-Rays Dragon rumor?, it's a card some people were talking about, here it is:
"Dark Rays Dragon
Level 6/Dark/Dragon/Effect/2100/600
This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. By returning 1 DARK and 1 LIGHT monster from your graveyard to your hand, Special Summon this card from your hand. During the turn that this card is Special Summoned, you cannot Normal Summon or Set."
I think it's a total fake since it is so broken with Light Pulsar Dragon, there are so many combos and it's very splashable in any chaos deck, lol bring back BLS and a D.D. Crow.

Well, that's just a rumour... not real info.
Jump only revealed the light dragon. Don't trust anything until it's on shriek.

[Zaborg_TM]

The fact that Light Pulsar Dragon is 2500 ATK is awesome! Ram into Stardust/Leviathan, SS REDMD, ATK 2800, SS LPD in main phase 2. So far I like it. Might end up getting 3 of this :D

[yamisol]

Light Pulsar is freaking amazing, and hopefully they'll release a spell that allows the deck to send dragons fast from the deck to the grave, like a type exclusive Foolish Burial, like lavals got.

Dragon Ravine sounds like the spell card your are talking about. You can drop a dragon from your hand and deck with this card.

[Velius]

Or maybe they'll actually give us Flying Dragon Whirl... :D Haha

[yamisol]

Or maybe they'll actually give us Flying Dragon Whirl... :D Haha

Wow. I just read this card effect. This card just does so much. It is quick play, gives your monster a 1200 power boost and set up for later combos in the game. In my opinion, way better then Future Fusion. I'm crossing my fingers for this card. :D

[Velius]

Aren't we all :D If we ever do get that card, I'm sure that it will be nerfed butttttttt here's to hoping!

[bystander79]

The fact that Light Pulsar Dragon is 2500 ATK is awesome! Ram into Stardust/Leviathan, SS REDMD, ATK 2800, SS LPD in main phase 2. So far I like it. Might end up getting 3 of this :D

So are we thinking this card could knock Disaster Dragon to tier 1?

[Velius]

I'm not sure about Tier 1 but this card will do wonders to improve consistency IMO. What we really need to come out now is another way to dump dragons to the grave without losing too much advantage. Or our own searcher (Ex: When this card is Normal Summoned, you can search your deck for a Level 4 or lower Dragon monster and add it to your hand.) or a better floater. Something with a Darksoul like effect would be fantastic. But, of course we won't get all of those kinds of things but there is still something else they could do for us. With there being 4 new cards that haven't been spoiled yet, I'm VERY hopeful :)

[Dudewitbow]

The tiers itself are already a popularity contest, Disaster has already topped Denmark Tounaments, 9th Place at worlds (http://duellikeanidol.wordpress.com/2011/08/16/summary-of-world-championship-2011/) losing to the #1 player of 2011 who was reported to be a stacker by some of the other players. Top 16 in Ecuador (http://www.konami.com/yugioh/blog/?p=6988) It already has solid showings, its just the # of people playing it doesn't make it public. It has the potential to basically counter most of the current meta with Koa'ki Meiru Drago. Hence one of the reasons that tiers are part just deck popularity

edit: Disater is also a deck that's extremely unforgiving to players who dont know how to play it. its one of the harder decks to play, creating a visage that it itself is a bad deck.

[Lord_Ivan]

Wow. I just read this card effect. This card just does so much. It is quick play, gives your monster a 1200 power boost and set up for later combos in the game. In my opinion, way better then Future Fusion. I'm crossing my fingers for this card. :D

Sorry but this card is so broken, you can target a non-dragon monster to use this eff, this can be used with Anti-Meta Disaster since you can target your TKR or your Kycoo, the TKR can destroy any boss in battle(even BLS and Grapha with field since he have 3100 atk with the 1200 boost), and that's without saying the dumping of 4 dragons, It's like a Future Fusion that also boost attack!, there's one card that have more chances to get released and it's Dragon Heart, it's like a nerfed version of this but still a nice way to dump dragons and dont affect the dragon deck very much since it likely do all their summons by ss.

[Weemer]

Or maybe they'll actually give us Flying Dragon Whirl... :D Haha

This would be awesome, can be chained to MST, can be activated during damage step, making possible to run over stuff kristya, Grapha, Hyperion..., the attack boost is permanent (lolwhut?), but I agree this may be too much.

[someone_else]

If we do get flying dragon whirl, I can almost guarantee that it will be nerfed, it's just too broken not to get nerfed without expecting an eventual limit/ban IMO. That said, I WANT!!!!!

[D.Knight Sevus]

Flying Dragon Whirl only even sends dragon cards to the Grave because Dark Paladin needed the power boost to beat Vivian, her deck has no synergy with Dragon monsters at all. Heck, one of them wasn't even a real Dragon! Obviously, I'm not at all that optimistic.

Now Dragon Heart (http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Heart), on the other hand...

EDIT: Woo! 1000th post! I'm kinda sad it was so negative now.

[bystander79]

Dragon heart is interesting.

Think we might see common version of Dragonic Tactics in this deck?

[D.Knight Sevus]

Well...I wouldn't be surprised, but it really depends. So far we have only one valid target, that being the Blue-Eyes White Dragon.

[Ryuunaga]

Red-Eyes, Blue-Eyes, and Darkness Metal in the same structure deck? interesting

[Zaborg_TM]

Dragon heart is interesting.

Think we might see common version of Dragonic Tactics in this deck?

LC02, nuff said. We shouldn't see a reprint of this card anytime soon.

[D.Knight Sevus]

LC02, nuff said. We shouldn't see a reprint of this card anytime soon.

This deck doesn't drop until December in the OCG, and likely March for us. By then, it'll have been 6 months since Dragonic Tactics' first print. In OCG-land, Dragonic Tactics was released in March of 2010, so it's already been over a year, and its only other print has been in a Korean Premium Pack (Vol. 5), which I don't know when was released. It may not even be legal outside of Japan and Korea.

[bystander79]

Dragonic Tatics are legal outside of OCG, all cards released in the LC2 have been legalized.

Konami is just lazy and hasn't updated the legality list since June.

[MaJuV]

LC02, nuff said. We shouldn't see a reprint of this card anytime soon.
In OCG this can happen, since it is a promo card over there. Structure decks is a way of OCG-Konami to reprint old promo cards. So, yeah. It IS possible.
BUT!
If that would happen in the OCG deck, TCG konami would remove that card over here, exactly because of LC02.

[Zaborg_TM]

In OCG this can happen, since it is a promo card over there. Structure decks is a way of OCG-Konami to reprint old promo cards. So, yeah. It IS possible.
BUT!
If that would happen in the OCG deck, TCG konami would remove that card over here, exactly because of LC02.

That was my point :p

[MaJuV]

So, new V-Jump picture, gives us the dark dragon too:

Dark Flare Dragon:
"You can special summon this card from your hand by banishing one LIGHT and 1 DARK monster from your graveyard. Once per turn, you can send 1 Dragon-Type monster from your hand and deck to the graveyard and select one card in either player's graveyard. Banish that card."

And, Dark Flare has cardnr 2, light pulsar has nr 1 (so, it IS the cover card)

Also revealed to be in the Structure deck:
- The White Stone of Legend
- Red-Eyes B. Chick
- Chaos Sorcerer
- Light of Redemption
- Burst Stream of Destruction
- Inferno Fire Blast
- Escape from the Dark Dimension

It looks like all the Blue-Eyes & Red-Eyes support is gonna be in this deck, huh :-S.

[Weemer]

Well these "bosses" show us that the only boss we need is REDMD.

So far the SD is following the trend, the cover card is good (not grapha/hyperion good but still), dark flare is like Ceruli/Jupiter/Peacekeeper, in other words, the super that is not that good (in this case a Ultra but you get me), now lets hope for the good super, in other words, the one that helps increasing consistency (earth, Snoww, Gearframe), then the spell that may or not help, and then possibly the bad trap card.

[Emolga 0]

I'm buying this just for Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon. It's a good deal with all the cards they announced so far alone, can't wait for the Full List.

[D.Knight Sevus]

Dragonic Tatics are legal outside of OCG, all cards released in the LC2 have been legalized.

Konami is just lazy and hasn't updated the legality list since June.

Not what I meant. I meant that Dragonic Tactics may not be legal for play in the OCG territories outside of Japan and Korea, places like the Philippines.

RE: Dark Flare Dragon, new reprints.
I'm kind of surprised that Chaos Sorcerer made it in, all the decks since Zombie's Madness have focused exclusively on a single type. Of course, this could have been an exception because Kaibaman, and if Kaibaman's going to screw the rules (he has the money, after all), they might as well throw in Chaos Sorcerer.

Dark Flare is pretty interesting, a Dragon Ravine in monster form. Oh, and it's disruptive, and it has the Chaos summoning condition. To phrase it in Problem-Solving Text:

You can Special Summon this card (from your hand) by banishing 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK monster in your Graveyard. Once per turn, you can send 1 Dragon-Type monster from your hand and 1 Dragon-Type monster from your Deck to the Graveyard: target 1 card in either player's Graveyard; banish that target.

Also, it's a Level 5 DARK Dragon with 2400 ATK (DEF is obscured), and I expect it to be a cover alongside Light Pulsar Dragon.

@Weemer: If that trap card is Immortal Dragon, it certainly won't be bad at all.

[kid-chaos]

oh man, i might just have to wait for this deck to come out, and then make my red-eyes burn deck into a red-eyes chaos burn deck! lol. this is amazing! :D i hope they reprint wyvern along with the rest. Burst Stream of Destruction and Inferno Fire Blast are selling it for me. and of course, the awesome cover card and its partner card! :D

also, this is a deck i just made:

monsters:
3 Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
3 Blue-Eyes White Dragon
2 Red-Eyes B. Dragon
3 Red-Eyes Wyvern
3 The White Stone of Legend
2 light pulsar dragon
1 Totem Dragon
3 Masked Dragon
1 Prime Material Dragon

spells:
2 Cards of Consonance
1 Dark Hole
1 Monster Reborn
1 Future Fusion
1 Heavy Storm
2 Trade-In
3 Mystical Space Typhoon

traps:
3 ruler's penetrating gaze
1 Solemn Judgment
2 Solemn Warning
3 Starlight Road

extra deck:
3 Stardust Dragon
1 Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon
1 Five-Headed Dragon
1 Black Rose Dragon
1 Ancient Fairy Dragon
1 Scrap Dragon
1 exploder dragonwing

[Death87]

Well these "bosses" show us that the only boss we need is REDMD.

So far the SD is following the trend, the cover card is good (not grapha/hyperion good but still), dark flare is like Ceruli/Jupiter/Peacekeeper, in other words, the super that is not that good (in this case a Ultra but you get me), now lets hope for the good super, in other words, the one that helps increasing consistency (earth, Snoww, Gearframe), then the spell that may or not help, and then possibly the bad trap card.

Well if you've played dragons you'll know that darkflare does increase consistency, an easy milling engine with a body is awesome, and even if it's veilered you can still get the mill. All in all pretty helpful for a deck that has it's main boss monster(redmd) summoning cards from the grave. And the effect is useful in disrupting certain strategies, like plants, dark worlds, agents, you just have to know how to play it right.

[bystander79]

I am loving this deck so. Dark Flare is going to be key regardless. The disruption and milling is worth the effect.

[someone_else]

Dark Flare Dragon+REDMD (in hand, deck, or grave)+RE Wyvern (in hand, deck, or grave) is an awesome combo if you can pull it off, especially if you also have Light Pulsar Dragon in grave. Use DFD to ditch/mill REDMD or Wyvern, get rid of potential threats in the opponent's graveyard, and, during the end phase, use Wyvern to SS REDMD, who you can possibly use to summon DFD if he's destroyed, or, if not, summon LPD. Although I do sometimes find myself surprised by how often I normal summon him. It's especially funny to tribute Light Pulsar for him while REDMD is in the grave.

[Lord_Ivan]

Dark Flare Dragon+REDMD (in hand, deck, or grave)+RE Wyvern (in hand, deck, or grave) is an awesome combo if you can pull it off, especially if you also have Light Pulsar Dragon in grave. Use DFD to ditch/mill REDMD or Wyvern, get rid of potential threats in the opponent's graveyard, and, during the end phase, use Wyvern to SS REDMD, who you can possibly use to summon DFD if he's destroyed, or, if not, summon LPD. Although I do sometimes find myself surprised by how often I normal summon him. It's especially funny to tribute Light Pulsar for him while REDMD is in the grave.
OMG that was the same thing that happened to me in DN, I had a LPD on field, tribute for LPD, summon REDMD, use eff for Dread Dragon, synchro for Stardust and get another REDMD, it's just so nice =P.

[Emolga 0]

Time for me to start Developing Combos with these cards.

Chaos is back alright, now to find a way to say to use it for all it's worth.

[Velius]

I wish Dark Flare Dragon had an Elemental Hero The Shining like effect. Recycle our RFP dragon and whatnot.

[Emolga 0]

The List isn't complete yet, so maybe something with an effect similar to that will be released.
Even so, we still have Burial from a Different Dimension.

[Death87]

Is pulsar's effect mandatory?

if so than
white stone of legend + pulsar to black rose, mandatroy effects take chain links one and two(like Dandylion) and black rose nuke is chain link 3. When it resolves you get pulsar's effect to summon redmd, and a blue eyes to your hand, and a clear field.

[Dudewitbow]

Is pulsar's effect mandatory?

if so than
white stone of legend + pulsar to black rose, mandatroy effects take chain links one and two(like Dandylion) and black rose nuke is chain link 3. When it resolves you get pulsar's effect to summon redmd, and a blue eyes to your hand, and a clear field.

Its an optional effect that can't miss timing due to If... Can... text . its the can part that makes it optional

[Emolga 0]

While others are just gonna use the Pulsar FTK, I'm gonna plan ahead for when they Ban Cannon Soldier or etc XD

[Death87]

FTKs are obnoxious and good ones rarely last, not worth the trouble, and if what you say about pulsar is true, then spamming time!

On another note, using the last three structure decks as a guide, i predict the spell card will be for drawing power, or another consistency based card (gates of dark world, Cards from the Sky, Dragon Ravine), and since Dragon Ravine is also useful for this deck I think it may be a normal or quickplay spell. The other card could be either a spell trap, but will most likely be a trap. And since dragons don't have any great searchers I'm hoping that the super rare will be a much more usable searcher like earth or snoww.

[Emolga 0]

If you go to DN, you'll noticed that the Rated Section is full of Pulsar FTK. So since everyone will focused on the combo that will be banned, I'll have a good build that will last.

[Death87]

Dueling Network is meh, but it will become a problem, anyways cards like Cannon Soldier and Toon Cannon Soldier were going to be banned sometime in the game, what I'm interested in is finding the right build that'll last through a few formats

[someone_else]

Is pulsar's effect mandatory?

if so than
white stone of legend + pulsar to black rose, mandatroy effects take chain links one and two(like Dandylion) and black rose nuke is chain link 3. When it resolves you get pulsar's effect to summon redmd, and a blue eyes to your hand, and a clear field.

However, since they're both optional, the player chooses the order in which they are placed in the chain, which means white stone, as a mandatory, take link 1, then you can put pulsar as link 2 (because it doesn't miss its timing due to the way it's phrased) and BRD as link 3. Like debris+dandy, but better :D

[Emolga 0]

What I'm interested in is finding the right build that'll last through a few formatsAnd that's the best move one can make. Having a great deck that will last long is the best strategy.

Darn FTK Bandwagon...

[Death87]

However, since they're both optional, the player chooses the order in which they are placed in the chain, which means white stone, as a mandatory, take link 1, then you can put pulsar as link 2 (because it doesn't miss its timing due to the way it's phrased) and BRD as link 3. Like debris+dandy, but better :D

Lol taking plants, and then plussing even more extremely, only fear will be if the opponent warnings it or has Starlight Road (i assume you won't have fallen for stardust or PMD)

And yes darn ftk bandwagon, they're not even fun to duel, and it dosen't take any thought.

[anarchylord]

If you dont want to see it, dont play on DN. Its a gimicky deck to the core, similar to the FF Otk of last format. It can't win past game 1 with any degree of consistancy, and has issues game one even.

[Death87]

Well it seems we're in agreement about that at least...

So with the new dragons what'll be good dark dragons to run? Rarely do i run that many darks in my disaster build, but the ones i do run i don't want to banish to summon pulsar and dark flare dragon. I'm also not willing to deck in almost useless cards like red eyes, since it isn't even trade in fodder.

[Emolga 0]

I just thought about it. Konami has found out how to fuse in both of their favorite types.
Chaos + Dragons = Dragonic Legion

[Windfeld]

Emolga, you just realized that? :P

Yeah, can agree there arent many Dragons to choose from, though Hunter Dragon might be worth something, Level 3 Dark Monster with 1700 Attack, would work with a Rescue Rabbit Build perhaps along with Alexandrite Dragon

[MaJuV]

So with the new dragons what'll be good dark dragons to run? Rarely do i run that many darks in my disaster build, but the ones i do run i don't want to banish to summon pulsar and dark flare dragon. I'm also not willing to deck in almost useless cards like red eyes, since it isn't even trade in fodder.
Good Dark dragons:
- Red-Eyes Wyvern
- Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
- Axe Dragonute
- Blue Rose Dragon
- Dark Armed Dragon
- Dark End Dragon (synchro, but dark too)
- Dark Horus
- Five-Headed Dragon (fusion, but also a dark one)
- Lancer Dragonute
- Malefic Stardust Dragon
- Malefic Blue-Eyes White Dragon
- Red Dragon Archfiend (synchro)
- Vice Dragon
- Infernal Dragon
- White-Horned Dragon
- Hunter Dragon (like windfield suggested, as rabbit target)

are somewhat the better dark dragons

[Emolga 0]

@Windfield:
Yep, I just did. The only thing that's been on my mind is my Math Class.

The Malefics are cut for me, i have no plans to use them. Hunter Dragon Rabbit Combo is nice, and so is this list. Although most of those dragons are Tributes of in the Extra Deck.

[doublezer0aym]

Can't wait for this to be released.

[Lord_Ivan]

Good Dark dragons:
- Red-Eyes Wyvern
- Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
- Axe Dragonute
- Blue Rose Dragon
- Dark Armed Dragon
- Dark End Dragon (synchro, but dark too)
- Dark Horus
- Five-Headed Dragon (fusion, but also a dark one)
- Lancer Dragonute
- Malefic Stardust Dragon
- Malefic Blue-Eyes White Dragon
- Red Dragon Archfiend (synchro)
- Vice Dragon
- Infernal Dragon
- White-Horned Dragon
- Hunter Dragon (like windfield suggested, as rabbit target)

are somewhat the better dark dragons
Uhm Red-Eyes Wyvern's attribute is WIND xD, normally I summon Pulsar and Dark Flare Dragon by REDMD, I only use Pulsar eff when I'm really on a big problem, anyway would be nice to have a lvl 4 Dark dragon with a very nice eff, just like with Koa'ki Meiru Drago, obviously not the same eff, maybe a Stratos like eff =P.

[bystander79]

A "stratos" effect dragon would be awesome!!!

[XAndraeus]

I'm hoping for Reincarnation Dragon Samsara... and that it's a light or dark type. XD

[kid-chaos]

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/171/617160.jpg/

a (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/171/617160.jpg/)nybody have any clue what the trap under light pulsar is? or the spell under dark flare? (not Burst Stream of Destruction)

[Windfeld]

Light of Redemption and Return from the Dark Dimension I assume

[MaJuV]

That spell is Light of Redemption, as I stated three pages ago ;-)
The trap is Escape from the Dark Dimension
Fits perfectly in this deck.

[Death87]

So how do u think the new dragon builds are going to look with the addition of these two monsters (assuming nothing else very good is released) will it be a modification of the normal disaster build, an egg build, or a new build entirely?

[XAndraeus]

Disaster's got more support for sure. Maining Thunder King's isn't as bad anymore, along with Gorz.

[Lord_Ivan]

So how do u think the new dragon builds are going to look with the addition of these two monsters (assuming nothing else very good is released) will it be a modification of the normal disaster build, an egg build, or a new build entirely?
It will support The Egg builds a lot since they can send both light and dark monsters to the grave very quickly, and those 2 monsters allow The Egg to be able to use more synchro monsters(since normally a Egg build could just summon Trishula by 2 lvl 4 and a Stone, or Catastor by 1 lvl 4 and a stone, also it could summon lvl 6 by synchro Catastor and another stone but that would give you some minuses,and they get another boost with the release of Ruler's Penetrating Gaze in Photon Shockwave so it'sa nice choice.

[Death87]

It will support The Egg builds a lot since they can send both light and dark monsters to the grave very quickly, and those 2 monsters allow The Egg to be able to use more synchro monsters(since normally a Egg build could just summon Trishula by 2 lvl 4 and a Stone, or Catastor by 1 lvl 4 and a stone, also it could summon lvl 6 by synchro Catastor and another stone but that would give you some minuses,and they get another boost with the release of Ruler's Penetrating Gaze in Photon Shockwave so it'sa nice choice.

Yeah i was trying to make an egg build, unfortunately finding space is a lot harder if you want to include those cards, and make the deck more focused on them.

[Lord_Ivan]

Yeah i was trying to make an egg build, unfortunately finding space is a lot harder if you want to include those cards, and make the deck more focused on them.

Actually I have a Egg build with Flare, Pulsar and RPG already, obviously it's just for testing how it was going to work when they reach TCG and know already the plays I can do with them when they come. You don't have to make the deck more focused on them, the thing is to only use their summoning effs when you get the chance, just like I did in some duels when I get in the hand, a REDMD, a stone, and a RPG, then used ravine to dump stone and Pulsar, use Pulsar eff sending REDMD and BEWD to the grave, set RPG and ended, if the opp killed Pulsar I would go to REDMD, then next turn summon BEWD and if he try to chain something to the attack use RPG, if he not then I had a free Solemn Jugdment to use against any card he could use to get rid of my monsters. One thing I found fun in testing, it's really nice to have 4 Solemn Jugdments in one deck jeje.

[ZephyrTiger]

Would it be better to have 2 Ruler's Penetrating Gaze than 3? It's situational and can be dead quite a few times.

[kid-chaos]

haha in my build, it's amazing. 3 blue-eyes white and 2 red-eyes b.= 5 targets for ruler's penetrating gaze. lol. it's like mini-solemn judgment dude. too good to run less than 3 in certain builds. and geminis will love it!

[Death87]

Actually I have a Egg build with Flare, Pulsar and RPG already, obviously it's just for testing how it was going to work when they reach TCG and know already the plays I can do with them when they come. You don't have to make the deck more focused on them, the thing is to only use their summoning effs when you get the chance, just like I did in some duels when I get in the hand, a REDMD, a stone, and a RPG, then used ravine to dump stone and Pulsar, use Pulsar eff sending REDMD and BEWD to the grave, set RPG and ended, if the opp killed Pulsar I would go to REDMD, then next turn summon BEWD and if he try to chain something to the attack use RPG, if he not then I had a free Solemn Jugdment to use against any card he could use to get rid of my monsters. One thing I found fun in testing, it's really nice to have 4 Solemn Jugdments in one deck jeje.

That is interesting, I'm just having finding the deckspace between ravine trade in and all the amazing dragon choices i can choose from now

And as for red eyes, if it's not darkness metal, it's probably not worth the space in the deck

[bystander79]

I have seen REDBD Disaster builds. They focus on burn damage using Inferno Fire Blast.

The way I see it, focus on a BEWD build if you want to make the most out of the tuners.

Going to be hard to figure out what to dump and what add for my DDragon build, but it will be fun to test.

[Death87]

Meh, burn decks are inconsitent, and don't do well in the current meta, also if they ever got popular, a side deck or two (like PMD for us dragons, provided it's not already main decked) would immediately kill 'em

[bystander79]

Want to upgrade my dragon deck with Light Pulsar and Dark Flare, as well as a 3rd copy of REDMD and REW. Use link in my sig to get my Turbo Dragon Deck.

[Lord_Ivan]

Pulsar eff was rewritten and it says "When..." instead of "If...", so now just became a good card for Chaos dragons, now it dont get eff when tributed, used as synchro, etc. So he only can get his eff by destroyed by battle or by effects, and must be the last thing to happen, good news are that Pulsar FTK is now dead so REDMD don't fear of banlist anymore.

[Death87]

Well that sucks, it also means that we can't black rose nuke with it, but do we still get to summon redmd through a CotH chained to MST?

I think it does
1: opponent activates mst
2: chain CotH target Pulsar
resolves:
2: Pulsar summoned
1: Call Of The Haunted destroyed
After chain Coth eff activates and destroys pulsar, who's effect than activates and summons REDMD

Any corrections?

[someone_else]

Pulsar eff was rewritten and it says "When..." instead of "If...", so now just became a good card for Chaos dragons, now it dont get eff when tributed, used as synchro, etc. So he only can get his eff by destroyed by battle or by effects, and must be the last thing to happen, good news are that Pulsar FTK is now dead so REDMD don't fear of banlist anymore.

It still says "if" on shriek. . .

*hopeful*

[Death87]

It still says "if" on shriek. . .

*hopeful*

We all are, but it may be better for the game if they don't do that.

Does anyone know when the other three cards will be revealed?

[someone_else]

the sooner the better IMO

[D.Knight Sevus]

Chances are, in November's V-Jump.

[RescueCat12]

Is it just me or does Darkflare Dragon look like a cross between Harpie's Pet Dragon and Red Dragon Archfiend?

[bystander79]

Yeah it kinda does.

Really been paying attention more to the effect though.

[Lord_Ivan]

He looks more like a Garchomp <3, really want to see the remaining cards, since Pulsar eff is now nerfed I really need to see that the remaining cards have nice effects.

[MaJuV]

We all are, but it may be better for the game if they don't do that.

Does anyone know when the other three cards will be revealed?
Shriek is running a little behind, here. Official Japanese product page already states the correct text, so yeah... it can miss the timing.

And it is for the better of the game, if it isn't an instant OTK/FTK machine

[bystander79]

Shriek is running a little behind, here. Official Japanese product page already states the correct text, so yeah... it can miss the timing.

And it is for the better of the game, if it isn't an instant OTK/FTK machine

Hate to have these dragons banned before we can use them.

[Death87]

Hate to have these dragons banned before we can use them.

Well maybe the next dragon will make up for it
Something like a stratos dragon
"whenever this card is special summoned add a dragon card from your deck to your hand"
Something that isn't going to cause an ftk, but definitely helps consistency

[Lord_Ivan]

Hate to have these dragons banned before we can use them.

They weren't banned, even if you think about it they weren't nerfed, they made a mistake and translated the card wrong, even with only 1 bad translated word a card effect passed from a broken card to a good/normal card, or that's what I read, is not like Konami changed the eff to kill the OTK or is it?

[MaJuV]

@Bystander79: Would hate to see THAT happen :( But that would prove that the design team of Konami should be fired and sent back to school.

@Lord_Ivan: No, they didn't change afterwards. It's just people reading things wrong from a Japanese Text on a tiny card from a magazine scan... Humans make mistakes, that's about it.

[troza]

Just one question... what do you think are the odds of this deck having Trade-In?

[D.Knight Sevus]

@Lord_Ivan: No, they didn't change afterwards. It's just people reading things wrong from a Japanese Text on a tiny card from a magazine scan... Humans make mistakes, that's about it.

You've got that reversed. The V-Jump scan wasn't at all tiny, and rather clearly reads to be an "If...you can" effect. The tiny image in the product page, when expanded, looks as if the effect has been changed to a "When...you can" effect. If this is the case, then the effect has changed from the version that was previewed in the V-Jump magazine.


Just one question... what do you think are the odds of this deck having Trade-In (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Trade-In)?

Fairly low. So far we have one target.

[anarchylord]

Only having one target has never stopped Konami before.

[drillwarrior]

So is the pulsar ftk/otk no longer working or something? I haven't been paying much atention =P

[Dudewitbow]

supposedly no, a future scan changed the if clause to a when clause supposedly making it miss timing when used as a cost

[MaJuV]

@D.Knight: My bad, it has been errata'd indeed.


Only having one target has never stopped Konami before.
True. They add in cards that only work when either Blue-Eyes or Red-Eyes is on the field, so why not Trade-In?

[bystander79]

Trade-In would be welcome addition.

[drillwarrior]

Eh I have 3 it would be a w/e card IMO.

I for one LIKE the breath weapons in there I kinda want to do something with red-eyes xD

[D.Knight Sevus]

Eh I have 3 it would be a w/e card IMO.

I for one LIKE the breath weapons in there I kinda want to do something with red-eyes xD

So...what about the people who don't have Trade-In? Sure, I have six or so, but extras are welcome, and that does mean you have pretty much a self-contained SoL engine, just with Dark Flare Dragon over Dragon Ravine.

That being said, a reprint would make a lot more sense now that I realize the OCG hasn't reprinted it...ever.

[bystander79]

Darkflare is a walking Dragon Ravine. Loving this card so much right now.

[Death87]

Darkflare is a walking Dragon Ravine. Loving this card so much right now.

Kinda mad that they made it a ravine instead of just a foolish, it was much better for card advantage when it was a Foolish Burial dark smog thing

[D.Knight Sevus]

Kinda mad that they made it a ravine instead of just a foolish, it was much better for card advantage when it was a Foolish Burial dark smog thing

But it never was...? That was entirely a mistranslation posted on Wikia. My issue is that as a Level 5 monster, it takes effort to get into play, so it doesn't help you set up much.

[bystander79]

But it never was...? That was entirely a mistranslation posted on Wikia. My issue is that as a Level 5 monster, it takes effort to get into play, so it doesn't help you set up much.

What you don't like tribute summoning?

Since I am a monarch user, I love the fact that I have the option to tribute summon for these cards.

[kid-chaos]

But it never was...? That was entirely a mistranslation posted on Wikia. My issue is that as a Level 5 monster, it takes effort to get into play, so it doesn't help you set up much.

with it's own ss effect, redmd, Monster Reborn, and double Call Of The Haunted, do you REALLY NEED to normal summon it? i mean honestly.

[drillwarrior]

Yeah, but is his effect WORTH it? I don't really know.

[RescueCat12]

with it's own ss effect, redmd, Monster Reborn, and double Call Of The Haunted, do you REALLY NEED to normal summon it? i mean honestly.

If I could, I would "like" this.
But seriously, Darkflare is an amazing card IMO. It's easily summoned, and has a killer effect to boot.

[kid-chaos]

Yeah, but is his effect WORTH it? I don't really know.

the effect is amazing. it stops plaguspreader plays, stalls chaos decks, could really hurt lightsworns by removing a monster that they need to bring out jd, wreck dragunities for every turn, and harm any graveyard reliant deck. all the while setting up your graveyard for redmd, reborn, and Call Of The Haunted to bring out the big guns.

[Weemer]

You're hardly gonna special summon him by its summoning conditions, with REDMD's effect you're better off summoning something like Koa'ki Meiru Drago, and you really only wanna use reborn and call to summon REDMD, not to mention his very sub-par effect, maybe if it was a quick effect and without having to -1 from your hand.

Dark Flare and Pulsar (assuming is "when") just aren't good enough for the competitive scene IMO.

[kid-chaos]

You're hardly gonna special summon him by its summoning conditions, with REDMD's effect you're better off summoning something like Koa'ki Meiru Drago, and you really only wanna use reborn and call to summon REDMD, not to mention his very sub-par effect, maybe if it was a quick effect and without having to -1 from your hand.

Dark Flare and Pulsar (assuming is "when") just aren't good enough for the competitive scene IMO.

how can you call pulsar's effect "sub-par"? honestly? it's only a -1 from your hand if you fail to make a set up. and at least it's just a -1 dragon from the hand. and depending on the set up you already have, and the deck you're using, you could just send 2 white stone of legend and then get 2 blue-eyes in your hand, in which case, it's a +1, then if you manage to have Trade-In, you get to go through even more of the deck. it all takes set up, not just what's written on the card. let's think outside the box for a bit, people.

[bystander79]

If I could, I would "like" this.
But seriously, Darkflare is an amazing card IMO. It's easily summoned, and has a killer effect to boot.

Agreed I did update my Dragon deck with these 2 monsters. Take a good look. They are very workable.

[kid-chaos]

Agreed I did update my Dragon deck with these 2 monsters. Take a good look. They are very workable.

same here, and it works beautifully. i can't wait for this to come out. lol. i've already got most of the cards for the deck irl, but getting 3 copies of the deck= the whole blue-eyes, white stone, CoC, and Trade-In combo. and 3 more redmd. haha. but anyways, here's my dn chaos dragon deck


main deck
monsters: 21
3 Blue-Eyes White Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Blue-Eyes White Dragon)
2 Red-Eyes B. Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Red-Eyes B. Dragon)
1 dark flare dragon
1 Dread Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Dread Dragon)
1 light pulsar dragon
3 Masked Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Masked Dragon)
1 Prime Material Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Prime Material Dragon)
3 Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon)
2 Red-Eyes Wyvern (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Red-Eyes Wyvern)
2 The White Stone of Legend (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=The White Stone of Legend)
2 Vice Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Vice Dragon)

spells: 11
1 burial from a different dimension
1 Dark Hole (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Dark Hole)
1 Heavy Storm (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Heavy Storm)
1 Future Fusion (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Future Fusion)
1 Lightning Vortex (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Lightning Vortex)
1 Monster Reborn (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Monster Reborn)
3 Mystical Space Typhoon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Mystical Space Typhoon)
2 Trade-In (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Trade-In)

traps: 8
2 Bottomless Trap Hole (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Bottomless Trap Hole)
1 Call Of The Haunted (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Call Of The Haunted)
3 ruler's penetrating gaze
1 Solemn Judgment (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Solemn Judgment)
1 Starlight Road (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Starlight Road)

extra deck: 15
1 Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon)
1 Five-Headed Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Five-Headed Dragon)
1 Ally of Justice Catastor (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Ally of Justice Catastor)
1 Ancient Fairy Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Ancient Fairy Dragon)
1 Black Rose Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Black Rose Dragon)
1 Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier)
1 Exploder Dragonwing (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Exploder Dragonwing)
1 Iron Chain Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Iron Chain Dragon)
1 Scrap Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Scrap Dragon)
3 Stardust Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Stardust Dragon)
1 Trident Dragion (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Trident Dragion)
1 Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier)
1 Super Dreadnought Cannon Express Gustaph Max

side deck:
1 galaxy-eyes photon dragon
1 Call Of The Haunted (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Call Of The Haunted)
2 Compulsory Evacuation Device (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Compulsory Evacuation Device)
2 Magic Cylinder (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Magic Cylinder)
1 Mirror Force (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Mirror Force)
2 rivalry of warlords
1 The White Stone of Legend
2 Cards of Consonance


still working on side deck, but there it is, so far. it was gonna be set up to go into a hard core burn deck with a third Red-Eyes B. Dragon, 2 chicks, and 3 Inferno fire blasts. lol. 3 fire blasts= 7200 damage, with Magic Cylinder, and gustaph max....so much burning!!!!!!

[bystander79]

Nice deck, but I would run either BEWD or REBD not both @ the same time.

Consider LaDD or Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon for the replaced dragons. You could make good use out of Dragonic Tactics then.

[kid-chaos]

Nice deck, but I would run either BEWD or REBD not both @ the same time.

Consider LaDD or Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon for the replaced dragons. You could make good use out of Dragonic Tactics then.

Red-Eyes B. Dragon is to help with a higher dark count for the 2 chaos dragons, as well as being fodder for the champion's vigilance. lol. i've considered galaxy-eyes, but won't consider ladd....i trully despise that card. and i have to normal summon it, something i usually don't do with my high levels in this deck. thanks for the advice though.

[bystander79]

axe dragonute is another choice, and easier to get out. Works well GEPD too.

[D.Knight Sevus]

I would not use Cards of Consonance in an Egg build, even sided. Darkflare, Masked Dragon and Dragon Ravine get The White Stone of Legend out of the deck, and if it ends up in your hand, it's a good pitch to use Darkflare or Ravine's effects.

Also, you're running no non-Dragons, so why no Totem Dragon?

[bystander79]

I would not use Cards of Consonance in an Egg build, even sided. Darkflare, Masked Dragon and Dragon Ravine get The White Stone of Legend out of the deck, and if it ends up in your hand, it's a good pitch to use Darkflare or Ravine's effects.

Also, you're running no non-Dragons, so why no Totem Dragon?

True enough with Darkflare/Ravine to pitch White Stone. For me it is either the monster or the Field Spell. I chose the monster.

Look @ my list again Totem is in there.

I don't run CoC now, I used to but it ended up being dead draws for me which is why I dropped it. Anyway my deck is Trad format and I have Graceful and PoG so I don't really need it.

[D.Knight Sevus]

Sorry, bystander, I was talking about kid-chaos' build on this page, I should have quoted it.

[bystander79]

no problem.

Looking over his build I noticed the lack of totem too.

If Kid-Chaos is that into returning banished cards, Return from a Different Dimension is much better card to run. Or he has to figure out how to get Leviair into his extra.

[kid-chaos]

i'm still working on the deck. i've actually edited it a bit. here's the new list:

main deck
monsters: 21
3 Blue-Eyes White Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Blue-Eyes%20White%20Dragon)
2 Red-Eyes B. Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Red-Eyes%20B.%20Dragon)
1 dark flare dragon
1 d (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Dread%20Dragon)elta flyer
1 light pulsar dragon
3 Masked Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Masked%20Dragon)
1 Prime Material Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Prime%20Material%20Drago n)
3 Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Red-Eyes%20Darkness%20Metal%20Dragon)
2 Red-Eyes Wyvern (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Red-Eyes%20Wyvern)
2 The White Stone of Legend (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=The%20White%20Stone%20of %20Legend)
1 Vice Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Vice%20Dragon)

spells: 11
1 burial from a different dimension
1 Dark Hole (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Dark%20Hole)
1 Heavy Storm (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Heavy%20Storm)
1 Future Fusion (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Future%20Fusion)
1 Lightning Vortex (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Lightning%20Vortex)
1 Monster Reborn (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Monster%20Reborn)
3 Mystical Space Typhoon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Mystical%20Space%20Typho on)
2 Trade-In (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Trade-In)
1 Cards of Consonance

traps: 8
2 Bottomless Trap Hole (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Bottomless%20Trap%20Hole )
1 Call Of The Haunted (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Call%20Of%20The%20Haunte d)
3 champion's vigilance
1 Solemn Judgment (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Solemn%20Judgment)
1 Starlight Road (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Starlight%20Road)
1 Mirror Force

extra deck: 15
1 Five-Headed Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Five-Headed%20Dragon)
1 Ally of Justice Catastor (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Ally%20of%20Justice%20Ca tastor)
1 Ancient Fairy Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Ancient%20Fairy%20Dragon )
1 Black Rose Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Black%20Rose%20Dragon)
1 Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Brionac,%20Dragon%20of%2 0the%20Ice%20Barrier)
1 Exploder Dragonwing (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Exploder%20Dragonwing)
1 Iron Chain Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Iron%20Chain%20Dragon)
1 Scrap Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Scrap%20Dragon)
3 Stardust Dragon (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Stardust%20Dragon)
1 Trident Dragion (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Trident%20Dragion)
1 Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Trishula,%20Dragon%20of% 20the%20Ice%20Barrier)
1 Super Dreadnought Cannon Express Gustaph Max

side deck:
1 galaxy-eyes photon dragon
1 Call Of The Haunted (http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Call%20Of%20The%20Haunte d)
2 Rivalry of Warlords
1 Delta Flyer
3 kao'ki meiru dragon
1 Mind Control
2 Starlight Road
1 Torrential Tribute
2 Totem Dragon
1 Vice Dragon
1 return from the different dimension

[bystander79]

Totem should be mained regardless. It is a staple card in this deck.

[D.Knight Sevus]

For people who care...more reprints!

Axe Dragonute
Dark Armed Dragon
Vice Dragon
Lord of D.
A Wingbeat of Giant Dragon
The Flute of Summoning Dragon
Burst Breath

Axe Dragonute, Vice Dragon, Dark Armed Dragon, Burst Breath - good.
A Wingbeat of Giant Dragon - okay, but not needed with Storm and triple MST. Still, illustrates the Vicebeat combo at least.
Lord of D. and The Flute of Summoning Dragon - Unless this reputed "Chaos Space" card isn't there and we're getting The Melody of Awakening Dragon instead, bad. But due for a reprint, so good?

Oh hey, pictures! Wikia, so take with a grain of salt, boys (and girls).

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/File:SD22-new_spell.JPG - Chaos Space
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/File:SD...pse_Wyvern.JPG (http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/File:SD22-JP003_Eclipse_Wyvern.JPG) - Umm...Eclipse Wyvern. There's our mysterious monster.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/File:SD22-new_trap.JPG - not-Immortal Dragon

Oh, and translations!

Eclipse Wyvern
LIGHT/Dragon-Effect/4/1600/1000
If this card is sent to the Graveyard: you can banish 1 Level 7 or higher LIGHT or DARK Dragon-Type monster from your Deck. If this card in the Graveyard is banished: you can add the monster banished by this card's effect to your hand.

Chaos Space
Field Spell Card
Each time a monster(s?) is banished, put 1 Chaos Counter on this card. Remove 4 or more Chaos Counters from your side of the field: Special Summon 1 banished monster with a level equal to the number of Chaos Counters removed. If this card is sent to the Graveyard by an opponent's card effect: you can add 1 LIGHT or DARK monster from your deck to your hand whose Level is equal to or lower than the number of Chaos Counters that were on this card.

Dragon Reincarnation
Normal Trap Card
Banish 1 Dragon-Type monster you control: Special Summon 1 Dragon-Type monster from your hand or Graveyard.

[Death87]

Where'd you get the translations, i can't even read the kanji on them, nor can i find any translations outside of these. And does your source know what elipse wyvern's effect is. I believe at least part of the effect will be this card is also treated as a dark monster while it's on the field.

[D.Knight Sevus]

Translations are from an admin of another site I visit who does this sort of stuff for every set as it comes out. Someone helpfully blew up the picture of Eclipse Wyvern so he could read it, so I have a translation for that now too.

[Death87]

Wow, thats cool, and damn eclipse makes running the two boss dragons worth running, you can even add DAD to summon BLSEotB, to bad it's light though, we have plenty of light dragons, but so few darks i actually want to banish, but chaos space does help this, we'll just have to see if the card can grab counters fast enough.

[D.Knight Sevus]

Divine Dragon Apocalypse from Order of Chaos may fill your DARK Dragon needs.

[MaJuV]

This structure deck is more chaos than Order of Chaos! :D

That field spell! It's amazing! I want it! My chaos & macro deck are gonna love this!

The wyvern is so-so, and Dragon reincarnation is another great way to bring back REDMD.

Also, Vice Dragon & DAD common? Cool.

[kid-chaos]

i don't see totem as a staple, but it's not horrible. i'm just not big on it. that's just me. also, the new cards seem decent, especially the field spell, because chaos decks will have to think about when they banish monsters. immortal dragon is just mean as hell, and i love it with every ounce of my being. the wyvern is kinda mehh, but oh well. can't wait to see it all come together. common dad might be cool to have. and i've already got 2 gold rare Vice Dragon's, but whoo! lol

[Windfeld]

I personally like Wyvern
Future Fusion or Darkflare Dragon, for the former send 3 of them to the grave, get 3 cards banished (3 Counters on the Field), and so more banishing for Darkflare or Light Pulsar or BLS with the Lights in the grave as well as getting the Banished Dragons to hand.

Also; This is on the 22nd Page ^^

[bystander79]

Loving the reprints.

The field spell is alright. Dragon Reincarnation is awesome. These cards see to play off each other and I just got rid of the fields spells out of my turbo dragon deck (don't want to have to run this spell). Rather run Return from a Different Dimension instead, use it to flood the field for the win.

[RescueCat12]

:O
:D
:)
♥♥♥
omfgsomeone****inggetmethisdecknow

[someone_else]

I like the way the new cards play off each other and make for great combos. One combo I thought of is to use Eclipse Wyvern to banish REDMD while chaos space is active, remove it and a dark monster for DFD, add REDMD to hand with Wyvern's effect, use dark flare to remove a monster from your opponent's grave, then use chaos space to summon Wyvern, which you could banish for REDMD or Dragon Reincarnation.

[bystander79]

Most deck work great with cards that play off each other.

Still don't like having to put another field spell in my Dragon Deck.

[someone_else]

Most deck work great with cards that play off each other.

Still don't like having to put another field spell in my Dragon Deck.

But with Darkflare, you don't need Dragon Ravine as much, so you can take it out.

[bystander79]

But with Darkflare, you don't need Dragon Ravine as much, so you can take it out.

Once I read its effect, Ravine was cut faster than you can blink.

Probably going back to running Return from a Different Dimension. I like the swarm for the win it can provide.

[MaJuV]

Shriek says the TCG release is set for february 7th (if they aren't wrong with their release date... AGAIN). If it is right, the release is DAMN early! :-O The SD isn't even fully revealed in OCG and they're bringing it to the TCG already :-D

[bystander79]

Deck comes out in December, and the full reveal is doe until a week or two before. It could very well be done this week. Relax.

Not only that but Konami seems to be upping the releases for next year. I don't mind this, but it can be hell to put together the money for it.

[MaJuV]

I'll relax, no problem.
It's just that I'm surprised that TCG-konami actually speeds up their release... it is something fans have been asking for... for ages.

[bystander79]

I was surprised too.

But this can be hell for those on a fixed budget. Hopefully the Ninja cards are rather cheap when released so I can afford the deck the next month.

[D.Knight Sevus]

But with Darkflare, you don't need Dragon Ravine as much, so you can take it out.

So far I've really preferred Dragon Ravine to Chaos Space in my Chaos Dragon builds. For one thing, it's not clear whether you get monsters per monster banished or per effect that banishes monsters. For another, Dragon Ravine lets me instantly set up a Darkflare or Lightpulsar, while also making good use of Eclipse Wyvern.

[ragda]

It's pretty clear: You get Chaos Counters for each instance of monsters being removed, as indicated by "monster(s)". For example, Trishula hits 2 or 3 monsters, Chaos Zone still only gets 1 Chaos Counter. Each DAD effect are activated and resolved separately, so those are different instances, and thus yields 3 Chaos Counters.

[bystander79]

DAD is pro in this deck now. Plus DaD can help BW decks with this Field spell even more now, rather than just being a boss monster.

I see Chaos Wings on the rise after the release of this deck.

[MaJuV]

I was surprised too.

But this can be hell for those on a fixed budget. Hopefully the Ninja cards are rather cheap when released so I can afford the deck the next month.
Don't hope too much on it. Hanzo's already became a price card in Japan, so that won't be different over here.

And yeah, Chaos wings would actually be good... with this SD coming out.

[ragda]

Chaos Zone alone gives certain decks with some banish element some tools. For instance, Insects that run Lair Wire and Insect Neglect, alongside Aztekipede and Doom Dozer, can have some tricks with regards to their banished Insects. Batterymen can play Chaos Variants or Industrial Strength Rush Variants with a way of reusing the banished cards. There's some other possible uses outside of Chaos or Dragons that I've not yet covered here, so it's worthwhile considering its impact. Sure, it's a Field Spell so it comes with all of those weaknesses, but it does come with a self-replacement effect so it's all that bad considering that.

[BigStinkin'Ape]

lol it allows maleifics who use the main deck(BEWD, REBD, specifically) to reuse the vanillas AND utilize champions vigillance due to easier means to SS the dragons(provided more things get removed and you work in more to those elements)

[someone_else]

And it allows extra rabbit abuse besides leviair.

[RescueCat12]

:O Lightsworn in this deck!
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/SD22

[Death87]

Well eclipse wyvern could search judgement dragon, and if it got milled i think its effect would still go off, so really its not to suprising of konami (adding another popular archetype that is)

[MaJuV]

I've been wondering what the lightsworn monsters were that the TCG promo mentioned...

And now it's been revealed that Lyla's in the OCG structure deck :-O (that explains).
Wonder what else we'll see in there.

[bystander79]

Not surprised to see a LS cards in this deck, the mill effect plus the fact they are Light attribute makes them an easy fit.

[ragda]

Lyla? That's an interesting addition, since that's a well-wanted card that's hardly seen much reprints, and its current value reflects that. I wonder how people will react to that?

[bystander79]

People will sell there other versions of Lyla and stock on the common.

What I predict to happen.

Would love to see Effect Veiler, and Maxx "C" reprints in here as well.

[anarchylord]

Cue what happened to krystia. People get rid of their lylas in a frenzy, then realize that it's not in there.

Glad I already got rid of mine.

Maxx c is not happening. Not only was it just released in the OCG 2 months ago, it has no relation to the chaos theme.

[bystander79]

Right about Maxx C, but Veilers are a good choice though.

[anarchylord]

I would love to see veilers in here because regardless of whether or not we get it, the price will drop as people panic. But I really don't see it happening.

[Dudewitbow]

wouldnt mind more lightsworn reprints. would possibly make the ultra versions of them cheaper. always been a side goal of mines to have a full ultra lightsworn set and LCGX's secret gladiator beast sets

[bystander79]

wouldnt mind more lightsworn reprints. would possibly make the ultra versions of them cheaper. always been a side goal of mines to have a full ultra lightsworn set and LCGX's secret gladiator beast sets

You and everyone else wants this.

On the note of Veiler in this structure, it is a very good choice. Its has been a while since it was released and reprinted as well. I say put it in here.

[anarchylord]

Never doubt konamis ability to put utter jank in a structure. I have a feeling we've got all that good stuff were getting, and ATM, it's debatable whether or not we will be getting some of this stuff.

[D.Knight Sevus]

Archlord Kristya certainly seems like that, doesn't it?

But it wasn't "Oh, that card's too expensive, we can't let everyone get access to it" (for one thing, she was reprinted in the tins two months later), at least not from my perspective. Lost Sanctuary was essentially a big fairy deck, and while Kristya is a big fairy that can summon herself (and used in every competitive fairy deck), she's very counter-intuitive to a strategy focused on Special Summoning high-level monsters. On the other hand, Athena is an enabler to that strategy, and also in need of a reprint.

Lyla isn't very likely to be removed from the deck since she is still in dire need of a reprint, and unless they remove the Lightsworn component entirely (not happening since the sell sheet calls out Lightsworn monsters as being in the deck), Charge of the Light Brigade needs 2-3 targets to be viable. About the only thing Lyla could be replaced with is a second Ryko.

[drillwarrior]

YES LYLA REPRINT.

Called it ^^