What is the difference between good and evil, or right and wrong?

[dark_knight_307]

What is the difference between good and evil, or right and wrong? It amazes me what some people think compared to others.

For instance: What specifically makes suicide, homocide, and/or genocide even, wrong or evil?

[Sibtiger]

Why wouldn't it be? You're taking someone else's life, or sometimes many people. Causing harm and grief to others and depriving society of a productive member is certainly bad.

[dark_knight_307]

Yup, you're taking someone else's life. And what I am asking is why is that wrong?

[redeyes15]

causing other people to feel bad is wrong or hurt someone, its not evil, but its not good, its just wrong.

[dark_knight_307]

You did not answer my question though. Why, or rather what makes it wrong?

[The Titan]

there is no such thing as good or evil! everyone has some anger and everone has some kindness. Evil to someone is good to another. And some chose the right path while others go down the dark allys! so everyone is till the same... But to hurt or kill is just sick!

[dark_knight_307]

^^Congradulations, you got it.... for the most part.

I have yet to find anything that is "Good" or "Bad", but isn't defined that way by society. Think about it.

[Sibtiger]

^^Congradulations, you got it.... for the most part.

I have yet to find anything that is "Good" or "Bad", but isn't defined that way by society. Think about it.
Your point? Humans are social creatures. Thus, our morality stems from what we percieve as harmful to society. So of course there isn't anything "good" or "bad" that isn't defined that way by society- society is what decides whether it's "good" or "bad"!

[bewd_tch]

Ha ha! Nothing is good and nothing is bad, nothing is right and nothing is also wrong. Humans are just like that, all the things they did is what they think the most "right" but maybe "wrong" for somebody else. The society is simply a group of people that thinks the same way, in "right" or "wrong". Y'know if you talk about this topic it will be endless, because every people has their own visions about what is good and what is bad, what is right and what is wrong.

[dark_knight_307]

Sib: My point is I like thinking and making people think. Guilty as charged :o;):p....

[SpnkAMnkyDaly]

What is the difference between good and evil, or right and wrong? It amazes me what some people think compared to others.

For instance: What specifically makes suicide, homocide, and/or genocide even, wrong or evil?

Brainwashing by the Bible, goverment and soceity.

[dark_knight_307]

Not brainwashing, but propoganda of sorts.

[DragonAsylum]

who said Hitler was wrong? I think he had a grand idea. Cleansing this world's gene pool would be a great way to fix problems. Health care would cost a hell of a lot less, too. The major problem with our society today (our being American and associates) is that our origins come from biblethumping prudes. If that weren't the case, we'd be much more advanced today in the social (read: communist) sense. Which is not in itself a bad thing...

[dark_knight_307]

^^Except every civilized, advanced, and respected country today does not agree with murder. I agree, his idea was great, but unfortunately, he went around acheiving it in a way very unacceptable by today's standards. Oh well, what can you do.

[One-of-chaos]

The difference is none. There is no right, there is no wrong. There are choices with which have cosqeunces good or bad. But then the Good and Bad results are also debateable.

[dark_knight_307]

Hmm, that is true.... Most of the time, we refer to actions through their consequences..... hmmm.

[Snack]

Murder is considered "wrong" because humans are assumed to dislike being murdered. If they didn't, they (empirically) would have murdered themselves already. It's a sort of "put yourself in the other person's place" sort of logic that is applied toward "objective rights and wrongs."

[The Titan]

who said Hitler was wrong? I think he had a grand idea. Cleansing this world's gene pool would be a great way to fix problems. Health care would cost a hell of a lot less, too. The major problem with our society today (our being American and associates) is that our origins come from biblethumping prudes. If that weren't the case, we'd be much more advanced today in the social (read: communist) sense. Which is not in itself a bad thing...

Are you SICK!!! OF course hitler was wrong! he had killed millions of inoccent and was trying to kill millions more! Also the jews arent dirty! No one is! Hilter was coocoo! he was not right or wrong he was just sick!

[dark_knight_307]

^^ That was pretty ignorant. Yes, Hitler was a little over the edge (sarcasm intended), but his ideas were great ones. The way he went around doing it, (killing tons of people) though, is not wonderful.

Many of the greatest violations of human rights and privacy originate from many of the greatest ideas ever dreamed.

[redeyes15]

go hitler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[One-of-chaos]

go hitler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Red Eyes I am not 1 to tolerate ignorant people like yourself. His ideas were great but aside me being Jewish, I just don't think that in order to achieve 1 race, 1 must kill all others. Eventually we will all become 1 race, don't rush things.

[dark_knight_307]

^^ That, all of it, is oh so very true....

[The Titan]

Red Eyes I am not 1 to tolerate ignorant people like yourself. His ideas were great but aside me being Jewish, I just don't think that in order to achieve 1 race, 1 must kill all others. Eventually we will all become 1 race, don't rush things.

Thats Right Fight the freaking power!!! GO GO GO GO GO GO!

[Avalancer]

Humnh. Some background information before I get into the meat:
Firstly, I believe that no action is entirely selfless. Even the most altruistic act (say, taking a bullet for someone), is motivated in at least some way by greed -- you believe that laying down your life for another is the key to heaven, you want to avoid later guilt, etc. For too many people, especially the "religious," many works which are intended to be carried out with selfless intentions have become much less so in nature (conversion as a political tool rather than the sharing of salvation).
Ultimately, then, the "goodness" of an act comes from carrying it out with the least amount of selfishness/the greatest total benefit to the universe as a whole. The latter criterion is what makes choosing one person to die rather than ten the "right" choice in many minds, and is quantifiable and used in comparisons between options. The former, however, is applied in a vacuum. It is not the choice among acts, but the inception and development of any one.
So how do you determine whether an act is [perfectly] altruistic? I feel that you have to determine whether you would be just as happy (or more so) being the recipient of the action as the executor. Similarly, if there is no recipient, would you be accepting if someone else were doing what you're considering (stealing from nonperson entities, etc.)?
Because of the subjectivity of human morality, of course, no answer is hard and fast. If you're imprisoning or otherwise punishing a criminal, you have to determine whether the altruism aspect or the "greatest benefit" aspect is more imperative and act accordingly. And people will disagree.
So, what is "right" is what you know is right. That personal part cannot be measuered or quantified, but should be trained to include objectively selfless criteria for descision.

[PhyrexianSurvivor]

Most liberals are just wrong, but Michael Moore is evil.

How come my steering wheel won't turn right anymore?

[sinsin_angel]

Most liberals are just wrong, but Michael Moore is evil.

How come my steering wheel won't turn right anymore?

let the poltics go man! and this is beside the point!

well anyway what is preception to percive what is right and what is wrong good or bad all has to do with your up bringing.
for people like hitler his up bringing was one that had a different set of wrongs or rights. For religious people the bible is their tool to know the difference between what is right and what is wrong.
How can we as humans truly know oureselves without an understanding of our thinking!.

[Nalka]

"Right and wrong don't exist, they are just oppinions that depend on sociaty and upringing" Gah, another anoying stupid cliché.
Some things are not objective but others ARE. Get over it. Not everything is relative. I don't care how trendy it may be, its still wrong.
I have issues with a lot of statements made in this thread, Ill post about them tomorrow when I have more time.

[dark_knight_307]

"Some things are not objective but others ARE."

Well, could you elaborate?

[Nalka]

What I mean with that statment is that some things depend entirely on somone's subjective oppinion and thus are inadmisible to the realm of rational discussion. They are just feelings that require no justification or rationality. For example your favoriet color.
Other things can be analised, quantified, calculated and debated. This is posible because unlike the other type, with objective issues there IS a ultimate truth that is possible to discover by the use of reason and the investigation of facts. While we can never be shure that we can ultimatly discover the answer to every objective question its our responsability as humans to quest for the truth and try to banish the shadows of ignorance and pejudice.

[dark_knight_307]

Most liberals are just wrong, but Michael Moore is evil.

How come my steering wheel won't turn right anymore?

Maybe because it is so offended by that ignorant statement that it is trying to do ANYTHING to get you to the Left side, the right side.

[sinsin_angel]

even just to talk about this makes us humans pretty amazing creatures dont you think!

[dark_knight_307]

Heh, yeah. It is interesting that it happens that way.