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redpyro
07-13-2009, 12:28 PM
This is a poll I want to see what build people think I should use for indy shoen jump in augest.


Build 1- Spywings
Monsters
3 Blackwing shura the blue flame
2 Blackwing sirocco the dawn
3 Blackwing bora the spear
3 Blackwing gale the whirlwind
3 Blackwing kalut the moon shadow
1 Dark armed dragon
2 Gravekeeper's spy
1 Blackwing blizzard the far north
1 Gravekeeper's guard

Spells
1 Brain control
3 Black whirlwind
1 Heavy storm
1 Monster reborn
1 Giant trunade
1 Mst
2 Allure of darkness
2 Book of moon
1 Dark eruption

Traps
3 Reckless greed
2 Bottomless trap hole
3 Solemn judgment
1 Mirror force

Extra deck
1 Gladiator beast gyzarus
1 Colossal fighter
1 Goyo guardian
1 Blackwing armed wing
1 Red dragon archfiend
2 Blackwing armor master
2 Dark strike fighter
1 Arcanite Magician
1 Magical android
1 Stardust dragon
2 Black rose dragon
1 Thought ruler archfiend





Build 2 -Blackwings
Monsters
3 Blackwing shura the blue flame
2 Blackwing sirocco the dawn
3 Blackwing bora the spear
3 Blackwing gale the whirlwind
3 Blackwing kalut the moon shadow
1 Dark armed dragon
2 Blackwing blizzard the far north


Spells
1 Brain control
3 Black whirlwind
1 Heavy storm
1 Monster reborn
1 Giant trunade
1 Mst
2 Allure of darkness
1 Dark eruption

Traps
3 Reckless greed
2 Bottomless trap hole
3 Solemn judgment
1 Mirror force
2 Threatening roar
2 Icarus attack


Extra deck
1 Gladiator beast gyzarus
1 Colossal fighter
1 Goyo guardian
1 Blackwing armed wing
1 Red dragon archfiend
2 Blackwing armor master
2 Dark strike fighter
1 Arcanite Magician
1 Magical android
1 Stardust dragon
2 Black rose dragon
1 Thought ruler archfiend


Both have play tested very well im still debating on which to run.

Also feel free to post up deck edits.

And I will r/f for a r/f.

CyberBlaster
07-13-2009, 12:36 PM
I vote for Build number 2.

My reason is that SpyWingz is too dangerous to run now. Since SynchroCat won US Nats, there is going to be a huge increase in the number of people using the deck because they believe its the top deck. With that in mind, they will be cramming their decks full of mind control, so your spywingz would only help them OTK you.

Your mixing Reckless and Defensive Traps? That's unorthodox, but it could be very explosive. Has it been running well in testing compared to the reckless free version?

Also, check out my BW deck whenever you get a chance.

redpyro
07-13-2009, 12:40 PM
I vote for Build number 2.

My reason is that SpyWingz is too dangerous to run now. Since SynchroCat won US Nats, there is going to be a huge increase in the number of people using the deck because they believe its the top deck. With that in mind, they will be cramming their decks full of mind control, so your spywingz would only help them OTK you.

Your mixing Reckless and Defensive Traps? That's unorthodox, but it could be very explosive. Has it been running well in testing compared to the reckless free version?

Also, check out my BW deck whenever you get a chance.

Yes I see your point regarding spywings, build 2 with reckless is good imo, it draws out other cards and while at the sametime the defensive traps that I need for protection.

nEW_fOLDER
07-13-2009, 12:43 PM
They both looks pretty good. i don't like running both Solemn/Reckless but I guess it works well. I woudl run build 2, because of Mind Controls running rampant.

Mecha
07-13-2009, 12:44 PM
Build #2 works better than build #1. But were is Delta Reverse? Its almost must to every BW deck just like Warchariot is for every GB deck.

anduril38
07-13-2009, 12:53 PM
Not really. Delta Crow isn't that good in my experience. Best to side 1 at max.

Go with deck 2 matt.

Hikari_Fortes
07-13-2009, 12:55 PM
I vote plain BW, the reasoning being you aren't running Mind Control while your opponent more then likely is. So while it's true there's only about 2 Mind Control's per deck, imo it'd be better not to risk it.

I know you aren't really looking for fixes, but seriously take the Urbellum out of your Extra Deck >.> No, just no. You've got DSF, Arcanite, Armor Master, and even Black Rose, why would you Synchro for Urbellum?! Take it out for Thought Ruler :)

redpyro
07-13-2009, 12:59 PM
mecha: meh no like anduril said thats my reason

hikari: lol urbellum was in there as a throw in and yeah thats pretty much the only reason, ill swap for a thoughtruler >.>

jzimmerman143
07-13-2009, 01:00 PM
i say spywings but i saw take out 3 Reckless greed for 2 attcks and 1 blizzard.it lets u set up big moves against all the meta decks and it bliazzard makes attack a really good card.spywings are control blackwings while blackwings are otk blackwings so i mean its up u u control or otk and just saying if u go with blackwings dont tell ure foe that u have an otk hand:)

Zaborg_da_Lame
07-13-2009, 01:01 PM
spywings seems like the best choice, especially with the amount of synchroing that can be done

Shadow Master
07-13-2009, 01:10 PM
Very nice builds Matt, both are great. I would go with build 2, lolz, liuke everyone else has stated. Mind Control are goign to be a problem, especially since you don't have the option of taking your opponenets Spies to use for yourself. I think everything else has been stated. Great builds though.

DaTDuDe
07-13-2009, 01:24 PM
i mean the only reason i would see 2 run Spywings would be to abuse Arcanite magician honestly

but Arcanite is not so good in the GB matchup as they run over him

i would go with the second build but you might want to run Mind Control

side Skill drain and DDV u shouldnt have a prob with CAT

Skill drain- shuts down GB, LS, CAT

cyslim5
07-13-2009, 01:27 PM
Gah, you had to make both decks equally as good :s. I'd go with StandardWingz because I'm a traditionalist. Try teching Mind Control; it's a great card in both.

Black Feather
07-13-2009, 01:37 PM
go with build 2; bw > spy bw cuz mind control is everywhere

good luck anyway

redpyro
07-13-2009, 01:48 PM
In regard to build one with everyone, yes I know its a horrible match up for synchro cat which is why I choose to main 2 spy and 1 guard vs 3 spy. And thanks for the comments and votes everyone ^_^, keep em coming.

And most likely build 2 will be taken, im using it this weekend at locals to see how it does just because its been awhile sense ive played it vs spywings.

BigStinkin'Ape
07-13-2009, 02:19 PM
spywings thgey look stronger imo as a build than bws

redpyro
07-13-2009, 04:31 PM
to the top

ong51
07-13-2009, 04:47 PM
Run spywings with Guard ONLY because spy is so much worse atm. :/

Cat is inncreasing in popularity so spy will be bad.

2 sirroco with spywings.

no reckless greed just run solemns with defensive traps as i have been saying for weeks..

Reckless sucks compared to live traps.

Goodluck duelist.

one-with-the-bugs
07-13-2009, 07:09 PM
I know I sound just like everyone else, but Spy means bad cat sync matchup, so my vote goes for normal Blackwings. If you were going to run SpyWings I would main Mind Controls to abuse Spy.

redpyro
07-14-2009, 05:54 AM
to the top

TomDaAzn
07-14-2009, 12:16 PM
blackwings build i voted for cuz spywings is imo slow [gotta wait for spy to summon guard and whatnot] and also, they could mind control ur goodies

as for the bw deck

maybe

-1 icarus attk
+1 book of moon

just in case they have like, stardust on the field and whatnot, you can book'em instead of the icarus attack , something like that o_O

Timsey
07-14-2009, 02:16 PM
I'd go with deck two, just because of the Mind Controls running rampart: the Spies will be taken advantage of.
As for fixes, I personally don't like 2 Icarus Attack, but I guess they work for you? Book of Moon looks like a nice addition to me, as it is one of the most versatile Spells right now.

BTW: 1200th post! ^_^

Sak_Samurai_151
07-14-2009, 02:22 PM
I say go with Build 2.

But in both decks,i have no idea why your not using Torrential Tribute.

For the second deck,i would take out an Icarus Attack and add in Torrential Tribute.

If you dislike TT,Book of Moon also seems like a nice addition.

Chaos_Remix
07-14-2009, 02:23 PM
Spywings is better this format last time I checked so go with it and good luck matt

ong51
07-15-2009, 11:47 PM
I think you should run this:


Monsters 18
3 Blackwing shura the blue flame
2 Blackwing sirocco the dawn
3 Blackwing bora the spear
3 Blackwing gale the whirlwind
3 Blackwing kalut the moon shadow
1 Dark armed dragon
1 Blackwing blizzard the far north
2 Gravekeeper's Guard

Spells 14
1 Brain control
3 Black whirlwind
1 Heavy storm
1 Monster reborn
1 Giant trunade
1 Mst
2 Allure of darkness
2 Book of moon
1 Dark eruption
1 Mind Control

Traps 8
2 Icarus Attack
2 Bottomless trap hole
3 Solemn judgment
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Mirror force

something like this.

Live Traps such as icarus attack and BTH are much better than reckless.

Vyrus
07-15-2009, 11:52 PM
Build 2 looks like the better choice, Matt. (obviously already stated)
Free Bump
Is Eugene holding an AP Sneak?

W T F
07-16-2009, 12:59 AM
I vote for Build number 2.

My reason is that SpyWingz is too dangerous to run now. Since SynchroCat won US Nats, there is going to be a huge increase in the number of people using the deck because they believe its the top deck. With that in mind, they will be cramming their decks full of mind control, so your spywingz would only help them OTK you.

^ That the reason for my vote^
Goodluck at the SJC btw :)