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SquirrelFang

06-26-2009, 10:41 AM

This is getting reprinted at mythic rare according to the spoiler.

I'm excited to see it back in Standard because it gave me an excuse to pick up a set to put in my Extended deck that I never get to play. Are there anything thoughts of how to use it in Standard?

I'm considering a "creatureless" WU control thing similar to the current TurboFog but with 4 DCs and 4 Polymorph with some man lands, the new gargoyle castle and Spec. Proc.

Not sure if it'll work without a real Wrath effect since it doesn't look like we'll be getting WoG back.

Thoughts on how to abuse our good friend the 11/11 Indestructable Trampler that doesn't want to get exiled but probably will?

pastorofmuppets

06-26-2009, 10:55 AM

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Master Transmuters are smiling.

NessOnett

06-26-2009, 10:58 AM

Boooo! Hiss! This is just awful and horrible and evil news. I hate artifacts...and one that I can't shatter is even worse.

pastorofmuppets

06-26-2009, 11:05 AM

just because you want to play red and It owns you.

NessOnett

06-26-2009, 11:11 AM

just because you want to play red and It owns you.

You got a problem with Red? Say it to my face. At any rate, they are overpowering Artifacts with this, Platinum, and all the "tribal artifact" stuff from ALA. Not to mention the old artifact staple in the form of Fabricate. But still, it's unlikely this card will ever cause me problems. Surviving more than four turns against a good RDW is the fevered dream of a madman. and if you can get the colossus out by turn 3, you deserve the W.

yuench

06-26-2009, 11:31 AM

DSC has no business in standard. If I play Transmuter I use 7/11; if I want to cheat it into play I use 10/10.

Vintage players are happy because they have a chance to get foil. End of.

pastorofmuppets

06-26-2009, 11:44 AM

RDW is transmuter's main problem. Which is probably why I'm swithcing to Doran since if RDW players don't win by turn 5 now they deserve to lose. But this isn't a place for arguments. this is a place for mister big smoky

TribalElfMage

06-26-2009, 12:18 PM

Colossus?! What will they bring back next?!

Actually...Slaughter Pact would be nice...Armageddon too

Magus0fdaMoon

06-26-2009, 12:46 PM

also polymorph does some fun things with him

DraconisMarch

06-26-2009, 10:38 PM

What? No! They CAN'T reprint the Colossus! You B@$7@RDS, Wizards!

Darksteel Colossus was one of those amazing cards that was iconic of Darksteel. Reprinting it is just... a sin. He's one of my favorite creatures of all time...

Should I be expecting my playset of foils to suddenly drop in value?

OdiousMesmerism

06-27-2009, 06:59 AM

It being a sin?

Take a look a Soldier cards.

Artifacts need to make a credible comeback somehow.

This is it.

Plus, Fabricate?

Be stoked.

SquirrelFang

06-27-2009, 07:23 AM

My only problem with DSC coming back right now is it is a bit more vulnerable than back when it was first around. PtE makes me a little worried about dropping down my big darksteel friend, even if I can make it happen 4th turn.

BaneSpawn

06-27-2009, 07:36 AM

DraconisMarch

06-27-2009, 08:30 AM

It being a sin?

Take a look a Soldier cards.

Artifacts need to make a credible comeback somehow.

This is it.

Plus, Fabricate?

Be stoked.

Soldier cards? Um... okay. What about them?

Oh boy. Fabricate. Now I can go find him. Whoop dee doo. Not like I couldn't before.

Warmaker

06-27-2009, 10:19 AM

DraconisMarch

06-27-2009, 12:07 PM

Well, it's obvious people are either really excited or really teed-off about DSC getting reprinted...I for one am glad; it'll let me replace my two I previously had before my frickin dog chewed them up.

You mean you couldn't get the original Darksteel version? Last time I checked, there were plenty around...

Warmaker

06-27-2009, 08:24 PM

You mean you couldn't get the original Darksteel version? Last time I checked, there were plenty around...

There probly are, just have a little situation I wouldn't care to explain. Alas, life is unfair. :(

Besides, these are newer. :P

DraconisMarch

06-27-2009, 09:55 PM

There probly are, just have a little situation I wouldn't care to explain. Alas, life is unfair. :(

Besides, these are newer. :P

But... the originals are... well, original! Darksteel had some awesome shiz. I'd rather have a classic original of the Colossus than some crap reprint that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

scionofdarkness

06-28-2009, 01:22 PM

i am kind of glad he came back but honestly i play transmuter all the time and i would rather have inkwell leviathan hit the board then him just because of shroud that way he doesnt get pathed or bant charmed

indestrictible doesnt matter anymore with the loss of wrath of god

blademast329

07-05-2009, 11:16 PM

k if u play casual and not in tournaments this combo would work, first turn put out seat of the synod, ornithopter, and shuko. second turn u put out tolarian academy and them put out master transmuter with it. third turn u boot ornithopter back to ur hand and put out the collosus and then u put the thopter back out and bam third turn 11/11 indestructable lol soooo cheap

Warmaker

07-06-2009, 06:27 PM

DraconisMarch

07-06-2009, 08:34 PM

Yeah...or you can use Tinker. It works wonders.

Yeah. You can Tinker turn 1 or 2 if you have the right stuff.

koolblue

07-06-2009, 08:48 PM

he used to be a one of in the alot of the old type1/vintage belcher decks as a way around null rod. I was playing in one of SC's events in Richmond years back and just used channel one time to get him into play..(would have been slightly embarrassing to get him swords..but oh well) the look on the guy's face was priceless...and to tinker him into play in vintage is a first turn play with all the accel and search spells. But let's get back to Standard...P2E does make him a bit worse, but then again they have to have it in their hand or draw it.You could see some funky ubr control build with poly to sneak him into play. Oh yeah..and thanks wizards...i mean no really thanks for not reprinting Wrath..and renaming some old staples just to sell more cards..sigh..i understand the economic reasons of it..but you make me a sad rabbit. What was crusade underpowered?We had to reprint it just to make it YOUR creatures and make the mana cost easier to hit...reallly........

DraconisMarch

07-07-2009, 06:52 AM

I understand Wizards is a company that needs to make money, but their reasoning is just BS when it comes to what gets printed and what doesn't. They're just greedy money whores.

The only reason they didn't reprint WoG was because they playtested with a bunch of stupid noob aggro players when they decided the M10 rules changes and cards to be in M10. They just didn't want them to cry when they played out a bunch of creatures just to have them wiped out by a well-timed WoG.

agracru

07-07-2009, 07:34 AM

indestrictible doesnt matter anymore with the loss of wrath of god

Terminate? Doomblade?

Magus0fdaMoon

07-07-2009, 08:17 AM

you terminate my colossus, great, nice waste

agracru

07-07-2009, 08:46 AM

you terminate my colossus, great, nice waste

Yes, it would be a waste.

Hence proving my point that "Indestructible" still matters even though Wrath is gone.

DraconisMarch

07-07-2009, 03:24 PM

Yes, it would be a waste.

Hence proving my point that "Indestructible" still matters even though Wrath is gone.

Yeah. Too bad nobody runs that anymore.

As stated before, PtE and Bant Charm. And Oblivion Ring.

SquirrelFang

07-07-2009, 04:37 PM

And Unmake.

I think we've reached the point that DSC is not as incredible as he was back in Mirrodin block and in that Standard. But the question that should be asked is; outside of PtE, how often do you really see those other cards anymore? Sure they're used sometimes but I haven't personally seen an Unmake or a Bant Charm in a long time at an FNM. And O-Ring is becoming less and less prevalent. Is that enough to say DSC is good enough to play if you can sneak it into play? I think it is.

agracru

07-07-2009, 06:46 PM

Yeah. Too bad nobody runs that anymore.

As stated before, PtE and Bant Charm. And Oblivion Ring.

OH NO THERE ARE ANSWERS TO A CARD, I CAN'T PLAY THAT CARD NOW

Seriously, people need to read Paskins. Still.

DraconisMarch

07-07-2009, 08:38 PM

OH NO THERE ARE ANSWERS TO A CARD, I CAN'T PLAY THAT CARD NOW

Seriously, people need to read Paskins. Still.

In case none of you have noticed, when a card starts to become more powerful and used more often, people tend to pack cards that take care of it. He would go out in a blaze of glory once people decided to start playing him.

Especially since the only viable way to get him in in standard right now is Master Transmuter.

Warmaker

07-07-2009, 10:27 PM

Still, watch all the little n00bs and aggro players go all berserk when they see the new DSC and try to stuff a few of him into their decks. They'll do it, Wizards knows it. As Draconis March has pointed out, however cynical he might have sounded, Wizards knew there would be people who'd go crazy over a DSC reprint; and yes, they did it for more money...though I wouldn't go out of my way to call them "money whores."

agracru

07-08-2009, 04:26 AM

In case none of you have noticed, when a card starts to become more powerful and used more often, people tend to pack cards that take care of it. He would go out in a blaze of glory once people decided to start playing him.

Especially since the only viable way to get him in in standard right now is Master Transmuter.

They do, but despite that, very few cards in Standard can reliably handle Colossus outside of Path to Exile. O-Ring is NOT a card that can handle Colossus reliably, because it is a fragile enchantment. Bant Charm is at best kind of a joke for you to bring up at all, because only a specific deck type can support it's casting cost and that deck isn't much good anymore.

I'm not saying that Colossus is going to like totally dominate Standard when it becomes legal again bro, because the only deck it easily fits into relies on using a 4cc 1/2 dork to get it into play. Any deck in the format can dispose of a Transmuter with extreme ease. I am saying that if Colossus does see any play, the list of options for getting rid of him are extremely limited, and rattling off three White only options doesn't somehow magically make him irrelevant or completely devalue him, especially since out of those options PtE is the only one that's actually legit.

kurisu95

07-08-2009, 08:15 AM

Ok, if you see a lot if Heavy Aggro, side one. If you see a lot of Burn, side one Inkwel Leviathin. Otherwise, ignore both.

DraconisMarch

07-08-2009, 09:04 AM

They do, but despite that, very few cards in Standard can reliably handle Colossus outside of Path to Exile. O-Ring is NOT a card that can handle Colossus reliably, because it is a fragile enchantment. Bant Charm is at best kind of a joke for you to bring up at all, because only a specific deck type can support it's casting cost and that deck isn't much good anymore.

I'm not saying that Colossus is going to like totally dominate Standard when it becomes legal again bro, because the only deck it easily fits into relies on using a 4cc 1/2 dork to get it into play. Any deck in the format can dispose of a Transmuter with extreme ease. I am saying that if Colossus does see any play, the list of options for getting rid of him are extremely limited, and rattling off three White only options doesn't somehow magically make him irrelevant or completely devalue him, especially since out of those options PtE is the only one that's actually legit.

Oh yes it can. Just because it's an enchantment doesn't make it fragile. Look at Brokenblossom. People pack/have packed so much enchantment hate just to deal with it... and a lot of the time, STILL can't.

And if you haven't noticed, a lot of decks are splashing white just for PtE - specifically Fae.

Plus, it can be difficult enough to keep a Transmuter alive as it is - since people realize the threat it poses. Once they realize you're packing Colossi, chances are your opponent won't even let the Transmuter land.

kurisu95

07-08-2009, 09:22 AM

Face it, Draconis is right. There are too many decks Darksteel would just suck against: Anything splashing Red, White, or Blue.

SquirrelFang

07-08-2009, 09:35 AM

I'm still unsure where Red is a bad thing for DSC. Are you assuming someone packing 4x Puncture Blast in addition to 4x Puncture Bolt in addition to 4x Boggart Ram Gang? I'm pretty sure it would take that much wither to deal with one DSC reliably in red, at which point please use all of your cards against my one, I'm ok with that.

kurisu95

07-08-2009, 09:38 AM

@ Squirrel: Since I don't feel like retyping everything I said, check out the MT Thread, it explains why there.

pastorofmuppets

07-08-2009, 09:43 AM

I'm sure people who really want to will try to ramp into him.

agracru

07-08-2009, 10:36 AM

Oh yes it can. Just because it's an enchantment doesn't make it fragile. Look at Brokenblossom. People pack/have packed so much enchantment hate just to deal with it... and a lot of the time, STILL can't.

But people don't pack enchantment hate to deal with Fae. They pack sweepers. This is mostly because sweepers make more sense, and also because Fae has strong countermagic to back up their Bitterblossoms. O-Ring, on the other hand, probably doesn't.

And if you haven't noticed, a lot of decks are splashing white just for PtE - specifically Fae.I hadn't noticed, mostly because they aren't (Fae decks I mean). Unless Sam Black and PV are lying to us all.

But again, this brings us back to my point, which is that PtE is the only spell that reliably and easily handles Colossus. As good as PtE is against DSC, that's a pretty good thing for Colossus. I don't see how anyone can actually argue with that.

Plus, it can be difficult enough to keep a Transmuter alive as it is - since people realize the threat it poses. Once they realize you're packing Colossi, chances are your opponent won't even let the Transmuter land.

Yeah, did you read my post? I made this exact same point, funny enough.