I can't take this!!!

[PorygonX]

Ummm....does this thread belong to the one sticky above? but, I just want to have something like this because i think it might be one good discussion.

Late last night, my father kept telling me that pokemon are evil and they are tools to lure children to the dark side. He has read this on some internet websites. And to think of it, he also found in the internet that disney and mcdonalds are evil. How can that be?!!! Anyway, i was so curious I decided to find out more about it. And look at all the crap some of the sites had been telling here!

Discuss!

www.trueconspiracies.com
http://www.bible.com/answers/apokemon.html
http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/pokemon5-99.html
http://www.nintendoland.com/home2.htm?articles/pokemon_evil.htm
http://www.fillthevoid.org/Children/Pokemon.html
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/371.htm

There are still thousands of sites about that, just check it out.

[antisuperheroguy]

Its sad that some people are so insecure about their religion that they must rely on video games to see where they are in life. Whether they are "good" or "evil". Its just a video game that kids play.. as we all have found out at these boards.. and its not like we go around with a pig's head chanting spells because i found out that Grumpig could use Psychic. Well, most of us dont do that.

[Coco]

And parents say there kids will beleive anything.

[pohatufan1returns]

"Did you know that all other religions around the world (except for Christianity), were brought into existence by Satan?"
--from the fifth source

This is exactly the kind of attitude that makes me not give a **** what they say about Pokemon. I'm a Christian myself, or used to be, but really... if someone is telling you that Judaism, Islam, and all the other religions of the world are the work of the devil, you kind of expect them to rant on about Kadabra and "Mewter" too, don't you?

[Yoshimitsu27]

As much as I hate to say this, and I'm not bashing any one person as such, but the whole Christian religion is rather silly. I know, some people want to be Christians and I'm fine with that, it's their life not mine, but has anyone stopped to actually READ the Bible? Throughout Genesis chapters 1-10 I think it is, it contradicts itself.

And while we're here, am I the only person that realises that God supposedly forgives us all? So we've been an evil little wicca/goth/thief/etc. and we've died and are at the gates of heaven. God forgives us all, so we get in. So why all the rubbish about Hell? Makes you think, doesn't it?

And in that fifth source... If I'm right, it was Nintendo who created Pokemon, not Wizards of the Coast.

And what's this about teaching us sorcery? No matter how many times I play the game, I don't notice any sorcery at all.

To achieve your goals in Pokemon you begin to believe it's OK to cast spells (http://www.fillthevoid.org/Children/TheBattle/ForbiddenPractices/WhatisaForbiddenPractice.html#anchor494718), use psychic powers, magic, (http://www.fillthevoid.org/Children/TheBattle/ForbiddenPractices/WhatisaForbiddenPractice.html#anchor492975) poison, cheat, steal, deceive or kill others. (http://www.fillthevoid.org/Children/ten-commandments.html)

What the...? Magic isn't an issue is it? Name one 'magic spell'. And I don't recall any killings in the games either, except a few mentionings with Team Rocket. And how does it promote cheating? Someone needs to play the games properly and not sit at home in front of their computer typing up ways about how Pokemon is evil purely because it's entertaining.

But yeah, like I said, I'm not bashing anyone or anything, I'm just throwing in my two cents. Or pence. You decide.

[RLRL]

You can expect stuff like this about practically everything that is popular at any time, the whole thing comes from people who don't understand or hear 1/2 thing about something and instantly judge, personally I don't care if someone thinks what I like is worshipping the devil, if it makes me happy then what does it matter... Its safe to say anyone that believes anything like that just needs to get over themselves and find something they enjoy not tell others off for liking what they like...

[pohatufan1returns]

And how does it promote cheating?

Maybe they were talking about using a GameShark.

[Blaziking]

Nah, they were not talking about using a Gameshark, they just don't know the first thing about Pokemon. And I have to admit that, even though I am a Christian(but not a hardcore one since I don't even believe in God) I must agree with Yoshi. The Christian religion IS a bit silly.
And I too, just like RLRL and pohatufan1returns, don't give a **** about what people think and say. It's no ones business if I like to play Pokemon, watch Mr. Bean, go out in the middle of the night with some friends and sit in a circle lighting candles...
PorygonX, how about talking one evening to your dad, then he can slowly tell you what he read on the net and you can give him truthfull answers. Then he mite just see that all that bull **** is not true.

[baratron]

Dear PorygonX's dad,

You read it on the internet, so it must be true!

After all, everything on the internet is factually correct - none of it is irony, or propaganda by extremist groups at all. Oh no.

And the Pacific Northwest tree octopus is in danger of extinction (http://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus.html), Alex Chiu has built an eternal life device (http://www.alexchiu.com/) (his proof? He's been wearing these everlasting life rings for 8 years and hasn't died yet), and Def Leppard caused the 9/11 bombings (http://my.execpc.com/~saruman/articles/pyro.html).

This site, that you mentioned: http://www.nintendoland.com/home2.htm?articles/pokemon_evil.htm is, by the way, irony :eek:. Notice the nintendoland address. Do you really think a site called Nintendo Land would be saying that a video game causes death and destruction?

[Gary Oak]

And I'm god.

No, seriously, that one's true.

No. Seriously.

As for the pokemon-bashing sites, over my 4 years browsing the net, I have to say i've seen every extreme you can get. It's typical for anyone to blame something popular on something more sinister. Probably out of jealousy, probably out of stupidity. Afterall, the majority of these outlandish claims made by people being serious are made in America...

It really doesn't surprise me what people come up with. Just make note of this, how many articles of this nature are written now? When the fad is dead. Instead you see them for Yu-gi-oh and Beyblades... It's publicity for an ignorant cause and it apparently works.

People are idiots. And we all know how I like to deal with those.

[baratron]

Saying people are idiots isn't, unfortunately, going to help PorygonX win his battle. Finding some rebuttals might.

All of the following sites are pro-Pokemon or related games. They are also written by Christians:

The Gospel According To Pokemon (http://www.accuros.com/thornbush/pollen/pokemon.htm). The positive Christian values that Pokemon can teach.

A Spiritual Evaluation Of Pokemon (http://www.accuros.com/thornbush/pollen/spiritual_evaluation_of_pokemon.htm), complete with Bible references.

Amazon reviews for a book by a loon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1575580675/102-2804685-5723317?v=glance). Excellent reading, especially the one by Virginia Magnolia, who again points out all the useful Christian values that the games can teach.

Christ is our Peace (http://www.templeumc.org/sermons/000723.html). A minister uses Pokemon in his sermon.

The Problem With Pokemon (http://www.mjyoung.net/bible/pokemon.htm). Also written by a minister. The same guy has written an entire series on Faith and Gaming (http://members.dandy.net/~mjyoung/wri019.htm#faith), how it is possible to be a good Christian and a gamer, and Confessions of a Dungeons and Dragons addict (http://www.mjyoung.net/dungeon/confess.html), detailing his relationship with Christianity and the game.

Harry Potter vs The Muggles (http://www.cornerstonemag.com/imaginarium/features/muggle.html). Why myths are important even in a Christian culture.

A Biblical Approach to RPGs (http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/1257/crpgs.html). A bit fire-and-brimstone for my own personal beliefs, but useful if your Christian parent/s is of the evangelical type.

Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, and Fantasy Gaming (http://www.cornerstonemag.com/pages/show_page.asp?444). Preview for a seminar to be held at a Christian conference in 2003. Unfortunately, the notes from the seminar don't seem to be online, which is a shame as the conclusion might be useful.

Is Magic:The Gathering Really Evil? (http://www.pojo.com/magic/StrategyGuide/Jan2003/Jan%2017-2003/Is%20Magic%20Really%20Evil%20-%20Robert%20Overton.htm). Answer = no.

Go with the Poke-flow (http://supak.com/robin/pokemon.htm). What kids can learn from Pokemon. And while I'm here, Learn The Real Science Behind Pokemon (http://ksnn.larc.nasa.gov/pokemon/) - from NASA.gov (!)

And for Gary, from the Atheist Attic: a nice rant about fundamentalists (http://www.bee.net/cardigan/attic/guest17.htm). Just to prove I can find links from every perspective ;).

[PorygonX]

Thanks everyone for the help...especially baratron, those links really helps.

Well...I think that was just a stupid paroxysm of mine but anyway I do agree, that sometimes, when something goes abnormally popular, people would think ways to make it go down...

[Prof. Cinders]

Brief word: Gary, you have my full support to bash any Christian who thinks pokemon is evil... But not too hard, 'kay?

Since I am, too, a christian, and have full support in pokemon... Yeah. Those websites written by Christians for other christians are either misled, stupid or both. Especially the latter. Everyone knows that games, be they for young children or not, are only slightly influential, if at all. These whole forums are proof that pokemon is by no means evil. Just because we have a love of cute furry fluffy things that, yes, can be violent if they're trained badly and everything, doesn't make us evil. Wait. Damn, don't let your dad read this. *slaps self*

[antisuperheroguy]

I would greatly appriciate it if you all would stop using the religion Christian. There surely have to be other religions that write those pieces. And how do you know for sure theyre Christian? I havent read them, im just assuming.

The Christian religion is a dangerous one ill admit though. If you recieve too much teachings and you get too involved in it i believe people can become overcome of the knowledge and become insane. Which is what happened on the following websites above. If they are all made by Christians.

AND now with that aside, can you all please use a different word? Like insane people?

Forgive me on intruding on the topic like this. Its just something that stopped my heart everytime i heard someone say the word in this topic.

[Gary Oak]

Read my post.

I never mentioned the word Christian once...

I've seen the bashing come from all religions and all creeds for all different sorts of reasons. The Christian ones are the most publicised and most well known, but there are many others floating around out there.

[Coco]

Wow, Top job Baratron by getting all those positive links for Porygon. Also from your first post i really liked the Def Leopard one.

[PKS LeeTupper]

Ahem. Christianity is not the problem. Christians are. The teachings of Christianity upon purely Biblical principals would be totally benign to all that left it alone. It is only when the principals put forth are twisted that things get ugly.

These people going out of their way to attack Pokemon as evil are totally ignoring what they were told. They should deal with their own problems first, not actively try to attack somebody else. Mote in our neighbor's eye, railroad spike in our own.

If anybody wants a religious debate, I'm on MSN between eight PM and one AM (US east coast time) Saturday-Thursday. Sincerely, I'd rather not do such in a forum environment, where I'll get mobbed by incoherent flying monkeys along with the people who do have brains.

[Vulpix101]

But Pokemon ARE evil.

[PKS LeeTupper]

For example, the person above me goes by the name of "VULPIX" 101! As we all can see, this person is clearly EEEEEVVVVVIIIIILLLLL!

[Blaziking]

You're not exactly an angel either, going by the name PKS LeeTupper. Why? God knows, that's just something some people would say.

[PorygonX]

Vulpix101 believes pokemon are evil....but anyway, the battle's not done and not getting anywhere. I decided to ignore him anyway and continue with my pokemon fantasy but...

here's a link that may be connected to the said 'Second Coming' of Christ and all the stuffs about revelation might be linked to this too:

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com

[PKS LeeTupper]

Bah. Pokemon and all this videogame garbage has no connection to the Second Coming. Sure, it may influence us to be slightly more permissive of violence and the occult, but it's small potatos.

There will be no Microchipping campaign.

There will be no secret rapture.

It is a fact that almost EVERY political leader in USA's history has been involved in Freemasonry, which is really a pagan order.

It is a fact that almost every modern holiday is just a pagan holiday that the papacy relabeled so they could hold onto their old ways.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. If I was, I'd be a bit more furtive with my beliefs about this. It's all just simple, plain truth.

Christianity is not bad, but in the end, the bastards who took control of the head of the church, like always, are going to use it as a weapon of war. There will be those that follow, and those that stand against it. That will be Christianity's last battle, the free-thinkers against the sheep. As I said before, us Christians should be looking inwards, not outwards.

[Prof. Cinders]

And I get the feeling that we're all discussing the Christian stuff here is because most of the stuff you find on here refers to christian ideas, ideals, Bible references, etc etc. And Lee, I'm with you on the looking inwards thing. It's so true...

[ImJessieTR]

Besides, the Pope even said Pokemon were okay. Pokemon teaches you to be nice to your pets. That's 'evil' to sociopaths who like to chain their dogs to trees in the blaring sun without food or water. And Gary's right: I've seen Muslims fundamentalists (Taliban, not your everyday Muslims) say that pokemon is a Zionist (read: Israel) agenda -- even though it's origin is Japan, a country VERY FAR AWAY FROM ISRAEL! What currently hurts my soul as a Christian is to watch a bunch of ninnies get on the soapbox with little information and condemn everyone to Hell. Funny, I thought that was GOD's job! Speaking of Hell (since someone else mentioned it), it is not through lack of forgiveness that puts you in Hell -- it's a lack of remorse. God may be willing to forgive you, but if you're an obstinate jerk who won't admit that you're wrong, then off you go to an unpleasant 'time-out'.

And I'm NOT saying that people from other religions (or no religions) are going to Hell. I don't think God likes Christianity a whole lot right now either. I mean, Jesus wasn't even dead before Apostles were complaining about who was better than whom. People who DON'T act like a bunch of whiny toddlers are very rare in the Bible.

Back when I was in middle and high school, I came across people who would go into complete panic attacks because they'd go to this movie theater where Dungeons&Dragons (arcade) was. They'd play, then be informed by some random person that it's 'of the devil' and they'd get pale and repent right there and hand out fliers the next day as penance. I'm not really in to the whole wizard & elves thing (although I watched Smurfs and Dungeons&Dragons and Voltron and a host of other 'satanic' cartoons), but that was just a travesty to watch. I dislike seeing superstitious nonsense spread to intellectual infants.

In conclusion of my rant, the Bible can be made to support anything you desire, just like the Torah, the Koran, the Rig Vedas, etc. In the Bible: (1) there's a talking donkey, (2) a prophet sicks bears on bratty twerps, (3) everyone seems to get along fine with animals "In the Beginning", (4) and if you take Revelations literally, supposedly some dude shows up with a multi-headed, multi-horned creature to destroy the world. The real reason people come up with anti-(fill in the blank) stump speeches is that their children are watching/playing these things and not listening to THEM, which is bad because of course they have a direct line to God, who tells them to be ignorant, evil twerps. When they die I hope God shows up to their Judgement with a pikachu on his desk, saying He thinks it's time Earth got these cute critters for real. That would be fun to watch.

[PKS LeeTupper]

Granted, the talking donkey was talking just because it didn't want it's @$$, literally, diced up by an archangel. I'd make an effort to speak, too, in that situation. :p Stupid riders, not noticing fifteen foot tall 00ber warriors in the middle of the road.

[Vulpix101]

Vulpix101 believes pokemon are evil....but anyway, the battle's not done and not getting anywhere. I decided to ignore him anyway and continue with my pokemon fantasy but...
www.theforbiddenknowledge.com

wtf fool, I'm not a "him"

[praetoritevong]

Wow, man you have it tough there Porygon. For every good thing that ever gets invented, somebody somewhere will say something bad about it... I guess it's one of those things you have to deal with. That said, considering it's your dad that just goes out the window. The only thing I can say is be careful. You can change his opinion, but make sure it's not confrontational...

Hah, what the heck am I doing, I've become prae the councellor -.-;

[RLRL]

prae, i hate to say it (okay I lie) but most people need counselling after seeing ure avatar so ull be getting more business any day now :P

[Blaziking]

Ha ha... Good one, RLRL!
Anyway, is your father still thinking the same things about Pokemon, PorygonX?

[Porygon3]

who the bleep is porygonx??!

I'm the only true porygon!

[Yoshimitsu27]

Even when he's been around longer than you? :p

[ImJessieTR]

Yeah, I hope PorygonX managed to enlighten dear ol' dad. It's a shame when family drama results from some random piece of information drifts your way...

[PorygonX]

Sorry no, he has a heart made of steel!!! Actually, he bribes me to turn away from pokemon and then he'll give me a cellphone. But my answer would be no..., I can still somehow survive my days without using a cellphone especially in this so-called 'Cellphone Capital of the world' place. Thanks for the consideration anyway, it's great to have people like you. :)

Hey...I just found this funny but stupid fight criticizing pokemon...hehe...http://e-sheep.com/apocamon/

[Moonlit_Angel]

I think they're overreacting in their articles. Come on, this is just a role playing game, not some hoax designed to worship Satan!

This one article said that fights were started by Pokemon, as well as children raping each other. Anybody could get in a fight over somethng similar, the subject was simply Pokemon, it didn't START the fight. The people did. And I don't know how the heck kids started raping each other, that's just beyond me. Pokemon was just designed for people to have fun, not go against Christianity. Some people are just so oversensitive.

Christianity seems like it's so much against other religions nowadays. It's as if everything is evil. Back in earlier days, they considered cats as evil demons! And that earthly attachments were unholy and would distract you from your love of God. Wasn't God's message that you should love your neighbor? He's not some tightwad like a few leaders of churches are today.

Don't even listen to these people. They're just incredibly cynical.

[PorygonX]

wtf fool, I'm not a "him"

sorry vulpix, but I'm not referring the 'him' to you.

[ImJessieTR]

Christianity seems like it's so much against other religions nowadays. It's as if everything is evil. Back in earlier days, they considered cats as evil demons!

It's not just nowadays. It started around Paul. He was trying to get Greco-Romans into Christianity and the ones from Judaism got kinda ticked off about it. Oh, and you're bound to find a religion as evil if they're killing you and making you into human torches. When Christianity was finally legalized in the Roman Empire under Constantine, church leaders ran wild "getting back" at all the groups that harassed them before. I would imagine they legitimized it with the book of Esther, where after the first document pogrom the Jews were allowed to go after all the Persians, etc who were trying to kill them.

Cats being evil was probably in response to Egyptian cults, the only other major foreign pantheon popular in Rome at the time of Christianity (Druidism being unpopular for the human sacrifices involved and Caananite religions being absorbed into others). Really, you can go and find mummified cats in tons of tombs. They were worshipped as gods (as well as alligators, hippos, etc). Christians "fixed" the pagan problem by burning the library of Alexandria to the ground and defacing all the cool art. Poor Meowth, he just don't get no respect ... :D

[Firehound105]

I find this extremely amusing.

Ifind that Christains are very protective of their religion. (I'm Christain actually, but I have other beliefs. most of them are actuallly based on Wicca and Buhdism.) So therefore anything that contradicts them must be elimated, so to speak. Now tell me does elimination sound good? I don't think so, so how can Christain say that they are the only good, when they want to eliminate.

Also, not many people relize this (or accept it), but Christianity is a relatively new religion. therefore, it probably got its ideas from different religions. Actually I did a research paper on this, and you can find Wicca, Norse, Greek, and many other ereligions in Christianity. After all, most religions are phtotcopies of each other, except for the names. i mean look at the Greek and Roman religions, they are EXACTLY the same (except names).

The next point I have is (though it sucks to admit it) that a lot of Christains are complete morons (sry if I'm offending anyone). i mean have you seen the conspiracies? Most of them are Christain inventions. All those conspiracie writers are flaming lunatics! Also have you seen some of the beliefs? For example Jehovah's witnesses say that the lord will come in the 1900's. i don't know about you, but the last time I chacked, it was the 21st century and I don't see God walking around, or the end of the world for that matter.

Another thing is that Christains take everything too literally. they abide by the letter of the law, when Jesus specifically told us to live by the spirit of the law. Also the bible is supposed to be interpreted, not taken word for word. It's complete bull**** if you believe everything written in the Bible, when the very first story of the Bible, shape of the world is completely wrong. like I said, its an interpretationa nd it means that God created everything. it doesn't mean that he created the world in seven days (well actually its six and the seventh he rested w/e).

Also, if you actually looked up the people who wrote these things, some of them are insane asylums, seriously!!! C'mon these people have nothing better to do with their lives then to make up crazy theories?

As for pokemon, I beleive that it is very Christain-like. it gives people a choice to do things. also is it not Prof. Oak, the character who guides you in your quest who says "to treat your Pokemon with lovee and respect"

Another thing look at where the Pokemon was created...Japan! Hello! It's a different culture than ours and a different religion! Let me ask you a question Porygon... Did your father read comics as a kid? Comics are extremely violent, but would that make someone a raving lunatic murderer? No. Once again it's choice. you must pick your own path, your own destiny and nothing can effect that.

Now I want you to compare the themes of American comics and Japanese comics-called manga. Now mind you the Japanese were the same ones who created Pokemon. In manga, you see many themes of friendship (Yu-Gi-Oh), courage/love/hope (card captor sakura/Magic Knight Rayearth), inner strength (Naruto/Card Captor Sakura/.hack/digimon/etc.), and the mystery of life and the world (XXXHolic). Now tell me does that seem bad to you? Now look at American comics. Physical romance, violence, and the ability to better your opponent through force are the most common thems. now tell me who is the better culture?

Antohter thing, do you believe everything you hear? i mean they say that today's youth is gullible, honestly.

Final word before I shut up for awhile... if anyone wants to talk to me about anything relate (or not realated) to this topic... Email me @ Firehound105@aol.com That's it for now.

If you can get your father to read these posts, maybe he will finally stop being hard on you, because after all, he apparently beleives everything on the internet.

[Strong man]

i think that many religions are the path to heaven such as the native amricans had a riligon with one god and many spirits that acted like angel i beleve in god but not that you can only play certon game and i don't beleve the diveche coad becuas it was added to the bibel after it was comleted
thou shalt not add or tack away from this book i beleve if the bibel dos not say that you have to give up tcg you don't have to it also says do not tack from it whuch means that you should read and fallow all of it not just one part

[Firehound105]

Okay here's something that I found. You all know that just like Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh gets bashed on for being "evil." they are acyually similar and the things that are said about them are similar too. Ok so here's a quote i got straight out of the Yu-Gi-Oh manga and tell me if these sound evil.

"Facing yourself no matter how tough things get...and keeping up the fight...that's what games are really about! Real courage is protecting that chip of life that you have in your hands... no matter what!"
-Anzu Mazaki (a.k.a. Tea Gardner)

very "evil" right? Okay here's another...

"You know how I have a nephew...he's a total brat and a weirdo...but if his life is in danger, I'll protect him. I don't care what i have to do!"
-Hiroto Honda (Tristin Taylor)

and another Bunch...

"No matter how far apart, friends always come together as one! We are small peices that bind together to become an undefeatable power...just like a puzzle! [This is] the power of unity!"

'True Strength of the heart cannot be gained alone! The power to trust your friends, that is the true strength of the heart!"

"There is no past or present for friendship! If you trust your friends, they will trust you"

real evil people right? If that's considered evil, then I'd hate to see what they think about murder.

[Gary Oak]

Like I said before, probably in this topic:

Bible Bashers call ANYthing popular evil. Simply because they see it as the reason kids don't go to church any more.

I think it has more to do with the crap-assed way the church is run and the fact that its about 300 years out of date, but HEY! Who am I to consider anything other than what the men at 'God's Right Hand side' tell us.

[PKS LeeTupper]

Well, in Yugi-Oh, you can sacrifice innocent maidens and goats and the like to bring demons into play... But hey, it's just a game, right?

[pohatufan1returns]

Naturally. We all know Yu-Gi-Oh! is the spawn of the devil, a device for him to corrupt our very souls-uh and cause us to worship demon gods-uh from the deepest depths of Hell-uh.

Take this card here, for instance. (http://www.paybest.com/jpg1/mokey_mokey.jpg) If there has ever been anything in the history of the universe that has made me less certain that there is a God, I must have forgotten about it.

...I mean, come on. "Sometimes he gets mad and that is dreadful"?

[Coco]

I worship satan, but it's got nothing to do with my pokemon hobby.

I'd type more but I have some babies cooking in the oven (Medium-Rare).

[PorygonX]

Well, things just got worse at home. He told me before that he will just keep my pokemon stuffs and then buy me a cellphone but now, he's telling me that it's a doorway for evil!!! And he said he's going to burn it at a time I don't expect, even if I don't willingly give it to him. He claimed that he haven't said about keeping it anymore! I feel wrecked deep inside! I don't know what I'm going to do with him! I hope I could find a way to hide my poekmon stuffs.

[Firehound105]

Yikes that sucks majorly

[pohatufan1returns]

Well, things just got worse at home. He told me before that he will just keep my pokemon stuffs and then buy me a cellphone but now, he's telling me that it's a doorway for evil!!! And he said he's going to burn it at a time I don't expect, even if I don't willingly give it to him. He claimed that he haven't said about keeping it anymore! I feel wrecked deep inside! I don't know what I'm going to do with him! I hope I could find a way to hide my poekmon stuffs.

Warning. Entering The Kidding Zone. For Your Safety, Do Not Take This Post Seriously.

Why, don't be glum. It's not so bad. I mean, look: now you have a cell phone! As Modern-Day Culture has suddenly decided it wants you to believe, cell phones are absolutely all the rage. From now on, you can't possibly run into any more communicating issues, any more scheduling issues -- any issues at all, when you get right down to it!

Just think. You're at a party, and you really want to impress this special person of the opposite gender. You've tried all your best pickup lines and nothing so far has succeeded. Imagine! He or she didn't even fall for "Excuse me, but I think I dropped something -- my jaw"! Well, you just don't know what to do, until WHAMMO you whip out your MEGA STYLIN' SUPAFLY CHROME SILVER CELL PHONE, BABY! There is no way he or she can resist your obvious awareness of what's "in" and "hot". You're going to be walking out of that nondescript building with that special person of the opposite gender before you even realize what's going on!

Not to mention there's so many other things a cell phone can do as well. No, they're not just for placing calls! Why, you can also take pictures, take more pictures and Goodness Only Knows What Else! The future is so bright for this franchise, I have to wear pwning Matrix shades just to keep from going blind. Think -- in a few years there'll be cell phones that can double as electric razors, cell phones that can double as bottles of sunscreen, cell phones that can double as ironing boards, even cell phones that will cook dinner for you while you place a leisurely call to your boss explaining why the stubble on your face has been so untidily shaved these past few weeks! The possibilites are endless!

And now, to veer closer to your original post so this reply isn't completely off-topic, let me point out that your brand-new cell phone is just a whole new portal into the world of Pokemon, my friend. Why, you can TAKE PICTURES of Pokemon toys at the store any old time you please! You can even download ringtones based loosely on the various theme songs from the different seasons of the anime, so that every time that special person tries to call you back for another date, you'll be reliving all the glory of the first season of Pokemon! Or the sort-of glory of the second season perhaps! Or... I don't know because I completely lost interest in the anime after the first season.

But you catch my drift, PorygonX. All those thousands of Pokemon cards you spent years collecting in search of the perfect deck, all those cartridges containing Pokemon games in which you've leveled up every single damn Pokemon to lv255, EVEN the lv3 Wurmple you hid away in your most secret box and tried to forget about... all of those things, taken together, can barely even match the worth of a cell phone. You should rejoice that your father was willing to give you such a deal! Be happy, sir, and remember these words: When God closes a doorway for evil, he opens a window.

Now Leaving The Kidding Zone.

No, seriously. It's absolutely horrible that he would do such a thing, and I can hardly believe it. You shouldn't try to hide them at all, you should talk to him, and try to get out of it that way. I wish I could go into more detail, but for my part, I can't talk no more. Ran out of talk.

[redeyes15]

they do this with every popular thing, i cant believe it, they said yugioh is evil, and the show talks about friendship.......... is there something im missing?


yoshimitsu, are u christian? u could always hide it at a friends house

[Sally - Here's a suggestion, let's not double post again. Thanks.]

[ImJessieTR]

I think the cards (of Pokemon, YGO, Sakura, etc) can be blamed for a lot of this. The same people who call 1-900 numbers for psychics or go to one get upset when their kids start playing around with things that looks like tarot. Yugioh in particular, I think, goes to great lengths to resemble tarot decks than any other. I don't really believe in that sort of thing, so if someone comes up to me and wants to do a reading, I'll do it for fun but not for some deep-seated desire to learn my fate. I'm psychic, for God's sake, I don't need some 1-900 wanna-be telling me my business.
It's very unfortunate that Porygon's dad is STILL hung-up on this. On this board, we've worked hard to show him sites that are pro-Christian, and Porygon's Shrine is still one of most well-mannered places you can go. I've worked very hard not to post anything there that could really make Porygon's problems worse. Sadly, his heart is still hardened.

Dear Porygon: if you must absolutely move on from Pokemon, sad as it is, I will still be there. You have my email, and I will support whatever new thing you get hold of to fill the void. Just let me know if you plan on deleting your Shrine, so I can save my stories. :D

[redeyes15]

its good that u have such friends porygon, though i feel that if the parents feel that pokemon and yugioh and all the other popular things are bad, why dont they take the time and just try it out? i my self had a dad that didnt like pokemon, though i ended quiting the game, i never got rid of my cards, and i moved on, though the friends i made in the process was good. now that im older i dont have to listen to him, but i feel ur pain........

sally thanks for editing that for me, it is very apreciated.

[Firehound105]

Kids today really are misunderstood. They try to have fun with a simple game, but their parents take it as cult worshipping. When I become a parent, I hope I'll never be like that because most parents today including my own don't understand,and wont even try to take the time to understand. Which really is sad...

[Kobe#2]

There is an important issue of ignorance going on in the world.

This issue deals with religion. Ask yourself these questions. Why am I living? What is my purpose on this earth? What am I really living for? What happens after death? Why do I feel empty even when I have so much? Where does true happiness come from? Is there something more than just me and this world?

Can you answer any of those honestly? I doubt you can, unless of course you are a follower of Christ. That's right. I Jesus-loving, "Live for God, not yourself!" hippie. Well, guess what? If you think that of the Christian religion then you've got another thing coming. If you think that it is a bunch of hogwash, then you, as well as most other people are ignorant and selfish. God created you. God created this earth for use to live on. God loves you. You are his precious creation. You are his child. There is nothing bigger than God. If you try to deny his existance, then you are ignorant (I'll keep saying it until you get it). God exists. There is no arguing it. The only reason you would even try to argue is because you know that he does exist, but you are in a state of denial. You don't want him to exist because you aren't perfect. You don't want to admit that you're not in control. You won't admit that you're a sinner. You don't want to face judgment in the end. Instead of accepting the truth and living for God instea of yourself, you simply try to deny it. However, you know in your heart that God is real. Are you ashamed of yourself? Are you to scared to admit your imperfection? God doesn't care. Like I said before, you are his child. If you know waht having a child is like, you know that as soon as you lay eyes on them, your heart fills with love. You know that, whatever it takes, you do eveything in your power to make a good life for your child. Your love for your child is unconditional, and no matter what they do, you will always love them with every fiber of your being. Well, take that kind of love and multiply it by infinity, and that's how much God loves you.

Here's an analogy that will help you understand why Christians love God so much and follow him.

There was a man. This man had a son. The man loved his child more than life itself. He would do anything for this son of his. His son loved him back just as much. They never got in fights, they never argued, they loved each other too much. They would do everything together. Their lives were just as they wanted them. Thier love for each other was so strong that they didn't want anything else, but to just always stay together. The man went to work everyday at a bridge over a river. He would pull the lever to raise and lower the bridge so either a boat could pass through or the train the road over the bridge could pass. Everyday the man would go to work raising and lowering the bridge so that the people on the train could go over the bridge without having a major accident. The son wanted so badly to go to work with his dad, but his dad wouldn't let him. He would tell his son that it was too dangerous of a place for his son to be. If his son ever got hurt because he allowed his son to come with him to work, he would never forgive himself. If he lost his son, he would have nothing.

One day, as the man was going to work, his son snuck into the back of the car. The man didn't know that his son had come with him until they arrived at the bridge. Once there, the man saw what his son had done. He was angry at his son, but he loved his son so much. He told his son that if he stayed close, didn't go anywhere out of sight, and didn't go anywhere dangerous, he could stay at work with him. His son was ashappy as could be, and was very excited about being able to work with his daddy.

A boat soon passed and the man raised the bridge. After the boat had just passed, the man heard a yelling. He recognized hi son's voice immediately, and realized that his son was down in the bridge gears, stuck. The man was horrified and was just about to go down and get him out when he recieved a call. The call told him that a train was coming soon and he had to have the bridge lowered so the train could get by. The man's stomach sunk. He realized that if he lowered the bridge, his son would be crushed in the gears of the bridge. If he didn't lower the bridge and saved his son, all the people in the train would die, and it would all be his fault. He din't know what to do. His son was yelling in a fearful, helpless voice for his father to come and save him. The train meanwhile was getting closer and if he didn't lower the bridge soon, the people on the train would die. As he looked into the eyes of his helpless son, he pulled the lever to lower the bridge. He began to cry as he watched his son being cushed in the gears, and heard his son's voice screaming in agony. Everything the man had was lost. His son was everything to him, and all he could do was watch his son die in front of his eyes. The train passed. The people on the train were spared their lives because of the man's sacrifice. The man gave up his one love in life, just to save 300 people that meant nothing to him. The worst part, the people on the train had no idea and didn't even thank the man.

The man gave up everything he had. His son was more precious to him than those people, yet he sacrificed his son to save them. Not getting the parallel? Guess what. It really happened. This is a true story. The only difference is that the man, is God, the son, is Jesus, and the people on the train are you and me. God gave up his son, Jesus, watched him suffer on the cross to save us. That's how much God loves you. He made his one a only son bear our sins and take up our punishment. All God asks is that, you thank him for that sacrific he made for you. How can you not accept? Live your life for God. Love God with all your heart, because he loved you first. Accept Jesus as your Savoir, the one who died for you, and you will have eternal life in him.

How do you get to heaven? Not by being a good person, because if you've ever sinned, even once, you're going to hell. If you accept Jesus' sacrifice for you, you are cleansed and no matter what, as long as you love the Lord, you will go to heaven

Don't be ignorant and ignore God.
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[Salamence-trainer221]

Umm....what in the world does that have to do about Christian's bashing Pokemon? Pretty much nothing.

And what you've said is barely going to persuay anyone, since it's pretty much what every Christian says....

[pohatufan1returns]

Maybe Christians believe that all Pokemon should be crushed in the gears of a bridge...?

[Lugiasian]

Or maybe he meant to post that in the other topic. You know, Evolutionism vs. Creationism?

[redeyes15]

kobe, i agree with u that there is a god, and that we are his creation, though i disagree with alot of things that u said............ i dont wanna go into religion here.......