Eroded Boundary - CotW nominee (4/18/2005)

[Mana Geek]

Eroded Boundary
Land
A deck can have any number of cards named <this>.
When <this> comes into play, search your library for any number of <this> and remove them from the game. Then put that many charge counters on <this>.
Tap, remove a charge counter from <this>: Add 1 to your mana pool.

EDIT - Changed a wording that does not work at all. *Bashes head on wall*

[keldon]

Eroded Boundary
Basic Land
When <this> comes into play, search your library for any number of <this> and remove them from the game. Then put that many charge counters on <this>.
Tap, remove a charge counter from <this>: Add 1 to your mana pool.

Being a basic land makes it playable in more than 4 copies... though not that strong, it has an obvious combo with Goblin Charbelcher with a deck that uses just these as lands and artifact mana acceleration...

[Mana Geek]

keldon - That is exactly my intent such that you can clear out your library easily.

[St@rWizard]

keldon - That is exactly my intent such that you can clear out your library easily.

MaGeek - Doesn´t that make it a bit too good?

[Mana Geek]

I am not sure - while you can get rid of 10 or even more lands this way, you will have less space for other stuff - including other lands to play your coloured spells with.

[ZenThazar]

this card will make artifact decks playable again. sorta

[Godot]

Cool design, but I wish it had allowed for more than four copies via Relentless Rats wording rather than break the sanctity of what defines a basic land...

[Litlfatdog]

i dont understand, this seems way broken to me. allowing people to play with any size deck they want with not too much of a drawback?

[Mana Geek]

Godot - Actually, "basic" is now a supertype, so I think it is the wording works best for cards that you can put more than four copies into your deck. Hey, I will even make Relentless Rats a "Basic Creature - Rat" if I had the say.

As for the basic land issue, notice that this does not have a land type, so it does not introduce a new basic land type (which would warp the whole basic structure of Magic).

One last problem is that it adds a huge chunk of text in the text box, and this card already has quite a few words...

Litlfatdog - That would have been a true concern, if not for that cards like Manipulate Fate are hardly used at all even when you get to draw a card.

And I admit a smaller deck can be advantageous to the player, but remember that every deck does need to have its threats, support, and most importantly - lands that allow you to play those two.

[fooligan]

man, wizards didnt print a card like this in the perfect time, planeshift.
i didnt think i was the only person aware of the barry's land story.
it raises too many questions.
like if you can demand them in sealed.

[Flash]

Thin your deck for as much as you want makes this card ok? This is even better in deckthinning that the Starter of All, which was quite a discusion anyway.

[dark_knight_307]

Wouldn't this be broken in a deck that can win with one combo? Ok, turn one, this, remove 50 card from my library, some mox or something, Recall, you can have you entire combo in hand. It's like that Mind's desire/Beacon of Destruction combo with Doomsday, 'cept cheapened in $$.

[FrankTheTank]

Just a rules question; what would happen if you would only play this lands and charbelchers, then remove all your lands out of the library and use the charbelchers ability? it wouldn't reveal a land card ever. would it still ping for (number of cards in library) or would it fizzle?

[tophu]

Cool design, but I wish it had allowed for more than four copies via Relentless Rats wording rather than break the sanctity of what defines a basic land...
That's funny, because that is the exact opposite of what I said when I saw Relentless Rats: "Why the hell didn't they just make this a Basic Creature - Rat instead of making up new abilities?"

[Flash]

Deck list:
2 Blazing Shoal
2 Myojin of Infinite Rage
1 Raging Goblin
1 mountain
54 of these.

How's that?

[St@rWizard]

Deck list:
2 Blazing Shoal
2 Myojin of Infinite Rage
1 Raging Goblin
1 mountain
54 of these.

How's that?

Actually, pretty bad. This land doesn´t remove copies in your hand and doesn´t ensure you will have all 6 cards of the combo with you at the same time. You need 4+ turns for this to go off consistently as 7x Boundiary hands will be REALLY common. And when you do get the combo together a single removal wrecks your day entirely. Heck, even a blocker does :)

The card is pretty balanced, as in it´s not broken. Powerful it is, yeah. Good job, MaGeek.

[fooligan]

Wouldn't this be broken in a deck that can win with one combo? Ok, turn one, this, remove 50 card from my library, some mox or something, Recall, you can have you entire combo in hand. It's like that Mind's desire/Beacon of Destruction combo with Doomsday, 'cept cheapened in $$.

and your doomsday just became uncounterable.

Godot - Actually, "basic" is now a supertype, so I think it is the wording works best for cards that you can put more than four copies into your deck. Hey, I will even make Relentless Rats a "Basic Creature - Rat" if I had the say.

if this is so, why havent they? i assume this came about with 8th.

in the end great innovation but i fear although the abilities are synergistic, this is another case of too many ideas in one card.

[monkeyballz]

Too many of these in hand? One word : Mulligan.

But really, it only adds a colorless per turn. It can thin your deck as thin as you can to pack it, but at the cost of consistency. Dunno how that would work overall.

[Litlfatdog]

manipulate fate seems like such a terrible example with which compare to this card.. i dunno about this one it just seems like a bad idea. also if they were to make a sixth basic land this would kind of waste it, just put that you can play as many as you want in your deck. i guess it would probably be safe to make, a much better comparison would be mana severance

[Pyrefly]

there is no rule that says this thing can't called a basic land. As to the relentless rats, they are not a "basic creature" be cause because that would do nothing. The supertype "basic" does not automatically allow you to play more than four of them in a deck. Rather that is done by this rule:

100.2. In constructed play, each player needs his or her own deck of at least sixty cards, small items to
represent any tokens and counters, and some way to clearly track life totals. A constructed deck can
have any number of basic land cards and no more than four of any card with a particular English
name other than basic land cards.

Therefore you can play as many as you like of any basic land, but not basic anything else. That's why they don't exist.

P.S.
A bit of trivia: snow-covered lands are basic lands. A snow covered mountain's Oracle Card-type is "Snow-Covered Basic Land - Mountain"

[YugDung]

This card is broken... and I thought ussually the monkey evaded cards with rules problems...

Guess not in this case.

In any case, this card is absolutely broken, and truthfully, i'm not even sure it works. =/

[St@rWizard]

Also, aside from the basic clause and whether it really means ´more than 4 copies are allowed´ or not, this card should have a ´may´. Since you are searching for any number anyway and you can search for nothing, the ability should be optional. Unnecessary searching and shuffling is (usually?) avoided by R&D.

The power level is high but I´m not sure if enough to be an issue. My only concern is the unusual ability and whether or not it´s worded correctly or not, and if the ´Basic Land´ part works like intended or not.

[Mana Geek]

After checking the Comprehensive Rules, there is indeed no mention of "basic" being associated by anything other than the five basic lands.212.6d The basic land types are Plains, Island, Swamp, Mountain, and Forest. If an object uses the words “basic land type,” it’s referring to one of these subtypes. A land with a basic land type has an intrinsic ability to produce colored mana. (See rule 406, “Mana Abilities.”) The land is treated as if its text box included, “{T}: Add [mana symbol] to your mana pool,” even if the text box doesn’t actually contain text. Plains produce white mana; Islands, blue; Swamps, black; Mountains, red; and Forests, green.There goes my attempt for making a simple wording... *sigh*

And let's say I give up on this card...