[CONFIRMED]3/1/2008 OCG Ban/Restriction List changes

[vince1234]

New ban: Magician of Faith, Breaker, Call of the Haunted
New Restrict: Raiza the Wind Monarch, Advanced Ritual Art, Monster Reborn, Nobleman of Crossout, Ojama Trio
New Semi-Restrict: Cyber Dragon, Necroface, Light and Darkness Dragon, Foolish Burial, Book of Moon, Mage Power, Magical Stone Excavation

Unrestrict: Gadgets, Jinzo, Pot of Avarice, Creature Swap, Apprentice Magician, Reckless Greed

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[Symortall]

i can't believe it,

*runs away to quickly build a unstoppable DMoC deck*

P.S. it build is with the OTK and infinite draw power of cyber valleys.

[unknowntalent]

I cant believe they brought monster reborn back
(also confirmed http://dmcomet.net/news/127.htm)

[Isaac_Andrey]

apprentice and creature swap at 3, gadget at 3, they might want to slow a bit the game, but i can see alot of otk right now, they should had ban other cards and why ojama trio at 1(baburn is going down right now, they should find another friend quickly)???-.- is not the best but isn't the worst so i'll take it.

[Hell_Kaizer]

once again, this format is filled with foolishness.


WHY IS REBORN BACK?

[nicnac]

just to be gay!

[yu-gi-oh_noob]

i can't believe it,

*runs away to quickly build a unstoppable DMoC deck*

P.S. it build is with the OTK and infinite draw power of cyber valleys.

You and everyone else :(

[DasUberGermanMan123]

They actually touched a monarch im schocked and appaled and D.D.T is now Broken

[Kane-333]

Well the only good thing about this is we can abuse the opponents disk commander....

once again, this format is filled with foolishness.


WHY IS REBORN BACK?

Well I think its back because they took off call so the opponent couldnt chain to disk commander and then monster reborn can abuse the opponents disk commander

[z4x0rz]

*sigh*

This list is retarded.
I'm very disappointed with UDE.


Advanced Ritual Art at 1? That's smart, they should have limited Demise so rituals are still actually playable.

Oh well.

[kane23]

WTF!!!

This list sucks!!!

Monster Reborn is comming back!!!

Raiza the Storm Monarch at 1 but...Caius the Shadow Monarch at 3!!!

[asulon]

What the ...?! Aright everyone get your pitchforks and dont forget you training in angry mob 101.

[Antras95Hoods]

would every1 please stop saying this list sucks. its the ocg list, not tcg so we dont have to play by it. if this was the list DDT would be unstoppable

[starfox747]

im almost positve there list will be a little different than our because they have a different card pool available to them

[anduril38]

yeah this list is very strange......... this will 90% likely become our list.

Still......Monster Reborn back.......holy ...... And they havent banned Frog, Disk or Morphing Jar.

[Dark Zane]

This list makes kinda since, they make breaker and call of the haunted banned, and bring monster reborn and jinzo at three. They also banned magician of faith so then we can't select monster reborn from the graveyard. They restriced raiza because, it was in a starter deck(comming here in april) and japan, and we also would, over use the card (I don't think alot of people will use it anymore anyways because of gaius). They restriced nobleman because almost everybody was running 2 because with marshamllon, spirit reaper and other cards that would usually be placed facedown. They restriced advanced ritual art well I can say this in one word ... DEMISE. They also restriced ojama trio because it can be over used with baboon burn (ya know, with the panda). Then they restriced cyber dragon to two, well ... it was about time that they would do it. The other cards, well, they would also have to do with something on the restriced list.

More proof:
http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/4714835/

[minh7194576]

.....More bad news:The tcg is going to be the same : http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/March_2008_Lists
Well with monster reborn limited and Dmoc still there,we just have to play foolish burial and monster reborn to summon dmoc and use his effect to get back the monster reborn....omg

[captain_spaulding]

.....More bad news:The tcg is going to be the same : http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/March_2008_Lists
Well with monster reborn limited and Dmoc still there,we just have to play foolish burial and monster reborn to summon dmoc and use his effect to get back the monster reborn....omg

that combo is gross. i dont even think i own a monster reborn anymore. im gonna have to go raid an eight year olds yugioh box. get ready to see me play with a colored on monster reborn!!

so ill guess i go try to make a demise deck with end of the world (not cool); also the OCG and TCG ban lists from september were identical or does my memory suk?

im pretty happy with foolish at 2...who cares with armageddon knight right? i also like book at 2...itll make LaDD and morphing jar stronger imo.

[minh7194576]

....I don't know why they release monster reborn.......is that a mistake?This would make a disk commander in the opponent graveyard turn monster reborn to a pot of greed =))

[samus500]

Honestly, bringing back monster reborn is such a big mistake, a free special summon from any grave...and I thought that bringing back snatch steal last format was a bad idea...

[CyberRaiza-EN026]

this list sucks, so many bad desicions. well we won't get to make more than 3 turns in a duel anymore.

[bb3000ae]

From my point of view this deck allows 6 deadly otk's/ftks

Gaia Gate, DAD, DDT, Chimera, DMOC, and Magical Explosion.

*packs up cards* if this is tcg list, see you all in 6 months. Bacause with a list like this, duels will be determined by who will go first :/

[yu-gi-oh_noob]

From my point of view this deck allows 6 deadly otk's/ftks

Gaia Gate, DAD, DDT, Chimera, DMOC, and Magical Explosion.

*packs up cards* if this is tcg list, see you all in 6 months. Bacause with a list like this, duels will be determined who will go first :/

You forgot about the endless draw combo with Cyber Valley. Almost all these combos would have been stopped if they banned Dimention Fusion, I am still holding out hope that UDE makes some changes before the list becomes official here.

[chicken_master]

i am not liking this list at all...

[Necroface]

You know what would be a good card to get back?

Monster Reborn.

It's not that good. . . I don't even know why it's on the ban list at this point. I mean, c'mon. who would actually use it?




That's not funny. Monster Reborn is a non-cost Special Summon from EITHER player's Graveyard, and you get to decide which battle position it's in. The only card that rivals its power is Book of Life, which is only for zombies and requires a monster to be in your opponent's graveyard. And take a look at the other revival cards:
-Premature Burial
-Call of the Haunted
-Autonomous Action Unit
-Swing of Memories
-Birthright

All of them have a limitation or cost. Monster Reborn does not; that's why it's banned.


What have I done?!?!?

Konami listens to me . . . I must be the chosen one . . .
And p_p is wrong! :) Because I am the chosen one!

[bb3000ae]

You forgot about the endless draw combo with Cyber Valley. Almost all these combos would have been stopped if they banned Dimention Fusion, I am still holding out hope that UDE makes some changes before the list becomes official here.

well the Cyber Valley endless draw combo is used in the DMOC and Magicial explostion FTK. and can be used in Chimeria

[CyberRaiza-EN026]

bb3000ae- *packs up cards* if this is tcg list, see you all in 6 months. Bacause with a list like this, duels will be determined by who will go first :/

the packing up cards thing sounds like a good idea.

[Darkarsenic]

why is mage power at two? thats a 2000 atk bonus with nothing else on the field, up to a 5000 atk bonus... i think i might just make a ben kei deck... gadget decks are probably going to run rampart with 3 gadgets and 3 pot of avarice, along with monster reborn to steal your opp's monsters. i don't really see why they banned call though...

[Sonokin]

This list is absolutely absurd. Why would you Ban Magician of Faith for the THIRD time! My thought are the same for Breaker, the Magical Warrior. But, most of all, I cannot comprehend why Call of the Haunted is banned now, while Monster Reborn is limited. That makes absolutely no sense! In the history of ban-lists, I have never seen such a twisted list! Also, Ojama Trio at 1 and Cyber Dragon a 2 is just wrong. Simply put, it's wrong.

[System357]

This list just shows how people cant judge the Meta. Wheres Disk Commander?? I guess he isnt Ban Worthy...

Looks like theres a lot more to be upset with, as usual. Thats why I dont understand why people want to make their own List so people can get mad at them, when they can just wait and get mad at Konami along with everyone else instead??!!!

[Kureiju]

Just so that the page isn't ridiculously big,

http://manjyomethunder.twoday.net/stories/4714838/#comments

*packs up cards* if this is tcg list, see you all in 6 months. Bacause with a list like this, duels will be determined by who will go first

I'm tempted to do this.

[layne95]

great winning for the nxt 6 months is going to b judged on who goes first fun stuff-_-

[Red-EyesBlackDragon]

This list...

I am liking a couple of the changes.

For example:

Cyber Dragon @ 2 - Limits summoning power of monarchs
Call of the Haunted @ 0 - limits chained revival power
Raiza @ 1 - Please, like this needs explaining

The ones I think were REALLY stupid/foolish (speaking of foolish):

Foolish Burial @ 2 - Why? It generates no advantage, and really only abuses frog.
Ojama Trio @ 1 - Not my fault the players who went up against this didn't know how it is so easily countered.
Jinzo @ 3 - Bad enough we've got him at 2 and you make him 3?

Anyway, a couple potentially redeeming changes such as Cyber Dragon and Raiza, but overall, not great changes, no.

[JerkJerk]

22 MEMBERS VIEWING & 61 GUESTS!?!?!?!?!?!?! Thats activity!

Other than the Monster reborn limiting, Limiting of ARA, and Limiting of Ojama Trio....this list has no other major problems. Jinzo at 3 is debatable but unless Royal decree is limited I would rather not see his ugly face in 3's.

Apprentice in 3 is intresting now that you could use only her to recruit themselves...crystal seer will see some play at tier 1 now.

For anyone who obviously needs an eye opener for Ojama Trios limitation. Refer to the cards "Ground Collapse" and the text from "Ojama Trio" and think. Block ALL of your opponents monster spaces.....ouch. Then with the counter traps running rampant, protect the lock and sit and wait for GG.....I have done it many times....

Finally a Gadget deck has appeared in my mind...MWHAHAHAHA! Now the instant top tier deck out there thats not an OTK. But definietly when going to a tpurney (COSTA MESA) Be ready for multiple OTK's.

Thats all i am going to say for now as Konami better make change to the TCG list until March 1st comes I will be quiet.......

PS Okay System...Disk commander wasnt banned yet...but nows he uber broken with MONSTER REBORN!!!!

[System357]

PS Okay System...Disk commander wasnt banned yet...but nows he uber broken with MONSTER REBORN!!!!

I love it when a plan comes together....

I know hes "good" with Monster Reborn, and other recursion cards as well, but really.... Only time will tell if Konami made a mistake in not Banning him. I dont think they did. I dont necessarily get the logic behind Monster Reborn, other than to show that cards WILL come back from the Ban List. The timing was very poor, but it still shows a commitment to players that not all cards banned are banned for good, so depending on how well Necroface does, expect to see cards like Fiber Jar back, as well as The Forceful Sentry.

I would say that the timing is nearly right for even Tsukuyomi to come back by either September, or next March, but the groundwork is being laid right now, and if players could get past their "anger" at not getting cards they wanted Banned or returned, theyd see the "forest for the trees", instead of just seeing another "Konami screwed up again!!!"

You (meaning, everyone) can argue the logic all you want, but so far, there are a lot of people finding new ways to enjoy eating Crow today, and Im not one of them.

[Latoma]

I am packing up too. This is the most unintelligent banlist ever. I mean I thought Konami had SOME fragment of intelligence, but this is insane. ME FTK will be Tier 0. DAD, Gadgets Tier 1, and possible L.Lords. Tier 2+ everything else.


I ggscoop people. Seeyaz later (CA's staying open though)

[Pharaoh Horus]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the OTK format. (Konami's worst mistake since the first banned and restricted list which left Magical Scientist, Cyber Jar and Black Luster Soldier-Envoy of the Beginning legal).

[Ansem1013]

they killed my poor Cyber End Dragon.......

so what decks are gonna be top tier with this new list? Besides, this list is for JAPAN!!! It probably won't be exactly the same as ours anyway.

[captain_spaulding]

replacing stupid post with vague edit

[anduril38]

waboku does bugger all vs magical explosion OTK

[Shining_Blader]

Cool list now looks like we are going to worry less about raiza (raiza and PWWB just make me sick...) and more about OTKs! sweet! ^^

Now I can finally use Monster Reborn again! yeee

I don't know why the people complains about the list and says it is one of the worst ban lists ever... I like it :)

[Plasma-D]

im going to defend this list as i realy like it and will make for an intresting metagame and maybe some new and old decks.

bans

magcian of faith - this is a good move, apprentice has allways deserved to be used in 3s but this wasnt possible due to one magican of faith.

breaker the magical warrior - i cannot see the logic behind this card exept that it is a beatstick and a possible plus one one summon, however burn took a massive hit with trio limited so they got rid of a brun hate card.

call of the haunted - as marz said this is only realy broken with markura, obviusly if the bring back reborn prem or call had to go, im realy surpriesed it was nt prem though as arms hole makes it broken. call is only better than reborn/prem is that you can chain it and get disk guy. This is also considered broken (well to me) with 3 jinzo.

limits

monster reborn - i cant realy see why they did this, the only way i can think of is that DMOC and disk guy are getting abused like crazy and reborning your opponents dmoc or disk guy can be as game breaking as you reborining your own. Its status as a normal spell makes it one of if not the best spell you can hit with diamond dude. It also warrents crow mained deck in everything what doesnt use gate / reasoning, heck you may have to even crow your own disk guy at some point..

raiza the storm monarch - was extremly broken, deserves to be limited in my opinion, late game raizas won you the game, nuff said

nobleman of crossout - with apprentice at 3 then this had to be limited, also with dimesion fusion running rampant crossing out yuor oppoennts dekochi could lsoe you the game, or xcrossing out you rslate warrior could give you the game, sheild crush anyone ?

advanced riual art - demise wont be gone unless you ban demise, you can still run this with 3 sonic birds to get it early on in the game then use contracs of the abyss with slime for demise. makes rituals pretty useless now, however demise decks will stills ee play, we thought it died through banning meta and mroph, (demise with slimes and calcualtors = GG)

ojama trio - this in my opinion caused majour problems, made baboon and chain burn decks broken, im glad i traded my baboon for a D-draw with this list

semi limit

cyber dragon - wasnt ever broken, makes future fusion less of a threat late game and makes cyber end dragon alsmost useless.

necroface - its is broken with grinder golem, i thought this would see limit, im glad it did, and for every 2 people who have 3 there will be another person with 2, looks nice

light and darkness dragon - one of the most broken 2 tribs in the game behind dmoc (advanced format) it is at least a plus 2 and can get anything up to plus 5, people only ran 2 anyway, nice to know someone cant make new LADD build with 3 trade-in

foolish berial - this card is pretty broken, searches out monster reborn target frog, disk and a quick dmoc to grave for those who opt not to use knight. also kind of hurts manticore of darkness FTK and baboon.

book of moon - exepct to see 3 spys and 2 books mained, this is a realy good move and we may even see an apprentice format, as you can search seer, flop seer flip seer then tributed, this is good at 2, but i think would be broken at 3.

magical stone excavation - they got rid of faith so gave us a replacemnt, i think konami wants DDT to own the format again, strangly enough UDE gave OTK decks alot more power with this

unlimits:

gadgets - these lil guys should haver never been limited, they were alot more stable and alot better with 2 gagets, that said people can just thier gadget deck and add the last set in without replacing.

apprentice - this should be unlimited, i think there will be an apprentice format, but who knows 3 swap, 2 book, apprentice at 3 OVM and seer are great targets.

jinzo - burn gets another kick in the face, along with gadets, i highly doubt people will run 3, if anything it side 2 or main 1 side 1 and 2 decrees, however my DDT will side 2 :P

averice - isnt broken at all, is one of the worst cards you can open with and if you run 3 then it may be hard to cycle monsters, i could see 50 card gadet decks arrising with 3 baisher 3 kycoo, 3 gadgets, jinzos etc with 3 averice, merchent pot turbo is also half decent now with NOC at 1

swap - did this deserve to be limited to 2, yes it did, i can safly say that apprentice IS going to be a broken deck with swap, apprentice and tomatos, its actuly scary 3 swaps

reckless greed - isnt broken in nay way or form, should never have been limited, semi'ed or anything. only broken if you activate all 3 in the same chain/turn, that said someone wil make a decent speed burn with this.

i like it

tier 1 decks

ninja/DAD
DDT
Apprentice control (macro or monarchs)
gadget
cosmos
PC raida (may be tier 1.5)

tier 1.5

new OTK decks
monarch (april 2nd)

tier 2

other good decks, and burn

[anduril38]

Tier 0: Magical Explosion FTK

seriously; its insane.

[Dark-Horus]

Monster reborn? cool .. Zombies just got a fourth Book of Life, but you could also steal a Zombie Master too...

Also with Goblin Zombie and 3 Swaps... I think Konami/UDE want Zombies back to top tier again.. especially with all the anti burn stuff (prime material dragon, 3 jinzo, energy absorbing monolith) just a thought.

And Raiza limited!!! LOL!!!!!!! XXXXDDDDDDDD

Edit: nvm zm... Il blud anyone? or any gemini monster really....

[Parthath]

*packs up cards* I think I will do just that.

[JerkJerk]

I think I will do just that.

Great....more members leaving....not helping the situation on these forums guys!

[oridgion]

haha, looks like demise is ruined. Alos looks like circle decks are taken down a notch. As for zombies, ....well, Il loose a breaker and a call anyday for a monster reborn. I can always just add another dust tornado to make up for the breaker. lol. Looks like zombies are coming back.

[blackheart1357]

Those jackasses killed my cyber end dragon. I hate you UDE. Kill them Yubel.

[raizaGG]

can someone please explain the cyber valley combo with magical explosion, and maybe post a deck somewhere on the site decklist's. everyone is saying oh no they didn't touch cyber valley so can someone please explain the combo.

[nicnac]

dmoc+valley+d-fusion+spell economics{i think}

i think that is what it is...

[CyberRaiza-EN026]

21 members and 54 guests; 75 total (it's higher than konami's iq level). this list is f***ed up konami. most duels will be determined by who goes first, no joke. i sware this has been the last straw for me, knoami screwed up so bad this time. great job taking the fun out of the fing game. waboku and kuriboh ought to be at about staple status now.

[JerkJerk]

dmoc+valley+d-fusion+spell economics{i think}

i think that is what it is...


yes that is correct. Only problem is getting them all...mostly DM...but wait 2 MSE and DMoC and valley with Gate/Reasoning = Broken Chemsitry

[yu-gi-oh_noob]

dmoc+valley+d-fusion+spell economics{i think}

i think that is what it is...


It's simpler than that, you don't need DMoC

[JerkJerk]

It's simpler than that, you don't need DMoC

Umm.....you kinda need DMoC to maintain the abuse with Dimension fusion or else you dont get back your spell...DUH!

[yu-gi-oh_noob]

Umm.....you kinda need DMoC to maintain the abuse with Dimension fusion or else you dont get back your spell...DUH!

Go read Cyber Valley again smart@$$.

[JerkJerk]

Go read Cyber Valley again smart@$$.

Why would you even want to activate the third effect and return Dimension to your hand idiot. It would be alot slower than just returning it to your hand and also you would have to draw it every turn giving your opponent a chance to stop it. So in otherwords....DMoC or MSE when you dont have DMoC is a MUST! And it also leaves you open for attack when you activate that third effect!

[yu-gi-oh_noob]

Why would you even want to activate the third effect and return Dimension to your hand idiot. It would be alot slower than just returning it to your hand and also you would have to draw it every turn giving your opponent a chance to stop it. So in otherwords....DMoC or MSE when you dont have DMoC is a MUST! And it also leaves you open for attack when you activate that third effect!


Have you even seen the deck???? I have and you will need to use the third effect until you draw into DMoC. I really should not be explaining it to you since you obviously don't know how it works.

[Dark-Horus]

Nevermind cyber valley.

Nobleman at one and here is why (other than Apprentice.. obv)

Cyber Ouroboros
Effect Monster
DARK / Machine / 2 Stars
ATK: 100 DEF: 600
When this card is removed from play, you can send 1 card from your hand to the Graveyard to draw 1 card.

Rulings
This effect is a Trigger Effect. Sending 1 card from your hand to the Graveyard is a cost.
You can activate "Cyber Ouroboros'" effect during the Damage Step.

It is a trigger effect just like Armed Dragon or similar, meaning you could just cycle through your deck until you have all the combo pieces. first turn exodia anyone?

or you could play dfissure and discard it with something. or worse still add it to the valley combo T_T

edit: as for gadgets.... i dont know if i will even go back to using 3, being semied actually seemed to improve them, for me at least anyway.

Edit #2: I dont get mage power at two... konami/ude have put so much effort into killing off otk's then just unleash a hail storm of them... X_X they might as well have gone the whole hog and unlimited United We Stand and made Injection Fairy freely available as a common.

[gino_gallizzi]

ya you use the 3rd effect on cyber valley to abuse everything dumped from reasoining and monster gate basically all you need for the quick otk is resoining+1 cyber valley+1 machine doop+gg because this is were the 3rd effect of valley is essential. Than just use all cyber valleys effect and stack all explosions on top and use any draw power to get them back. I proably made it sound more complicated than what it is but i was watching some people using it at anaheim regionals and its a FTK and than it side decked into regular DDT.

[CyberRaiza-EN026]

jerkjerk and yugioh_noob let's not get hostile and bitter here. discuss the combo and the deck, don't yell at eachother with comments like these:

JerkJerk- Umm.....you kinda need DMoC to maintain the abuse with Dimension fusion or else you dont get back your spell...DUH!

yugioh_noob- Go read Cyber Valley again smart@$$.

JerkJerk- Why would you even want to activate the third effect and return Dimension to your hand idiot.

[nicnac]

true, you should be mad at konami/ude for this, not eachother!

[yasser]

Hello

List very convincing and I think Return Monster Reborn To The LTD List And reasoning&Monster gate& my Favorite monster destiny hero plasma to the sami LTD LIST

Goodbye near

[Mr_Anderson]

My thoughts.

Banned:
Breaker the Magical-I understand it was banned due to three Apprentice Magicain, but really UDE? With the format running chainable spells/traps up the wazoo, Breaker really didn't deserve the ban.
Call of the Haunted-I'm not seeing any broken combo with CotH. If anything, Premature should have hit the list due to that Arms Hole/DMoC/Premmy loop I've been hearing about.
Magician of Faith-I suppose the Apprentice engine had to take some blows if they got Apprentice Magician at three again.

Restricted:
Advanced Ritual Art-If anything, Demise should have hit the restricted list over this. ARA actually made Rituals playable. Demise was the card were complaining about the most.
Monster Reborn-I really did want this back so I could steal the opponent's Disc Commander. This should have never came off the list in the first place. It's as bad as Snatch Steal coming back.
Nobleman of Crossout-Nobody I knew of ran more than one. In my opinion, no one is losing out here.
Ojama Trio-Baboon Burn just took a major blow with this hitting one.
Raiza the Storm Monarch-I know a lot of players who are going to rejoice over this getting restricted. In my opinion, it should have been semi'd as monarchs aren't that hard to deal with.

Semi'd:
Book of Moon-I'm indifferent with BoM at two.
Cyber Dragon-People usually ran two Cyber Dragons anyways, so no major loss here. Though I'm sure people who run Cyber Dragon decks are going to be a little peeved.
Foolish Burial-People only ran 1-2 copies. So I don't see any major reason why this was Semi'd.
Light and Darkness-People only ran two so no major hit here.
Mage Power-Ben Kei decks just got better I guess.
Magical Stone Excavation-Diamond Dude Turbo just got better.
Necroface-I like what they did here. Necroface OTK decks are just brutal when they go off.

Unrestricted:
Apprentice Magician-Meh.
Creature Swap-Personally, I love this unrestriction. Swap decks will probably get some hype with Swap at three.
Gadgets-Yay, I get to run Fifth Gadget again!
Jinzo-This just doesn't sit well with me. There is going to be some deck out there that will abuse Jinzo at three. I would have prefered him to be semi'd.
Pot of Avarice-People only run 1-2 copies in most decks anyways. So no major concern here.
Reckless Greed-It isn't even that good anyways. So I'm glad it's getting unrestricted.

[CyberRaiza-EN026]

pot of avarice doesn't see much play at more than 1 anyway, but this list helps gadgets and makes ddt and valley/fusion/(dmoc)/economics combo broken.

[Draco765]

It seems every time there is a change, lots of duelist start yelling the yugioh equivalent of "the sky is falling". And a few weeks later, the deck or card combo everyone was yelling about was dead.

Older/odd cards will start to show up, people will use cards that others in the past discarded to the collection (PWWB anyone?) to over come the new deck styles.

Like the following examples:
If you get to go first against a known DDT explosion deck (Which seems to be the "sky is falling deck right now") set that Rainbow Life that you put into your main from your side deck. Let them activate Explosion(s) and then gain all that life.

Foolish Burial your Prime Material Dragon then Monster Reborn it.

Etc

Just get your head out of “bad list, me mad” mode and start thinking for yourself.

[Dark-Horus]

It seems every time there is a change, lots of duelist start yelling the yugioh equivalent of "the sky is falling". And a few weeks later, the deck or card combo everyone was yelling about was dead.

Older/odd cards will start to show up, people will use cards that others in the past discarded to the collection (PWWB anyone?) to over come the new deck styles.

Like the following examples:
If you get to go first against a known DDT explosion deck (Which seems to be the "sky is falling deck right now") set that Rainbow Life that you put into your main from your side deck. Let them activate Explosion(s) and then gain all that life.

Foolish Burial your Prime Material Dragon then Monster Reborn it.

Etc

Just get your head out of “bad list, me mad” mode and start thinking for yourself.


This guy talks sense listen to him people!

[captain_spaulding]

and when they go first??

- i actually was just hit in the head with a piece of my own cieling -

[TheMaliciousEdge]

Well isn't this Japan's? Won't ours be slightly different?

[Chaos Emporer]

When their Explosions go to the Graveyard, can't you play D.D. Crow when they try to use Cyber Valley's effect to bring it back?

Now, every deck main's 3 D.D. Crow. O wait, that also helps against Monster Reborn and Dark Armed Dragon....

Worst case it's pitched for Dark Allure against a Cosmos deck. Hmmm...

Anyways, I don't think this list will be too bad. All it does is make a lot of decks playable, and slow decks like Monarchs will be gone because everything is just too fast now. There MACE, are you happy now? ;)

[System357]

Well isn't this Japan's? Won't ours be slightly different?

Our Ban List has basically been the same as the OCG List since September 2004, when it was created, and even when it did change, it was only 2 cards the first time, and the next time it changed was when Magical Stone Excavation came out, and that changed midway through the list to the number it should have been.

Where do people keep getting this rumor that we are going to have a different Ban List, and how does this rumor keep surviving for almost 3 years?

[eggsaladforce]

thank you draco (for your post above), im glad someone still has there senses after finding out monster reborn is comming back. and if my memory serves me right something like this was your idea for helping the meda, when everyone was screaming "ban the monarchs" you said that instead of banning monarchs we need to bring back some more powerfull cards to compete with the endless string of 1 tribute wonders. i dont see the list as good or bad, im just happy to get a change of pace. when you think of it a new band list is like playing a whole new game, so many new decks im sooo excited!!!!

[Isaac_Andrey]

some of the cards make sense, alot of sense but i'll keeping saying, jinzo at 3??, they put it at 3 so we can abuse it with the new jinzo support card from the next pack, other than jinzo and monster reborn makes alot of sense to me.

[Antras95Hoods]

GADGETS ARE BACK!!!!! yay!

[yo shorty b]

i wish they didnt make MSE at 2, I dont have any.

Also making monster reborn at 1 makes disk commander worse, because you can get you opponents one. it also makes DMOC a bigger threat. OTK format.

[JerkJerk]

some of the cards make sense, alot of sense but i'll keeping saying, jinzo at 3??, they put it at 3 so we can abuse it with the new jinzo support card from the next pack, other than jinzo and monster reborn makes alot of sense to me.

There is also Ampilfier eh!

GADGETS ARE BACK!!!!! yay!

They never really left!

[Dark Zane]

i wish they didnt make MSE at 2, I dont have any.

Also making monster reborn at 1 makes disk commander worse, because you can get you opponents one. it also makes DMOC a bigger threat. OTK format.
I don't think many people are going to run disk commander because of DDT a Tier 1 and D-Raida is somewhere between Tier 1 and Tier 2.

[yo shorty b]

Yeah Disk is kind of a liability.

[layne95]

i m going to recreate my demise maby 3 sonic possibly 2 end ot world that might b just as consitent or maby even turn everything in the deck b sides demise an otk itself maby tyake demise out of the deck and add a 3rd swing

[System357]

thank you draco (for your post above), im glad someone still has there senses after finding out monster reborn is comming back. and if my memory serves me right something like this was your idea for helping the meda, when everyone was screaming "ban the monarchs" you said that instead of banning monarchs we need to bring back some more powerfull cards to compete with the endless string of 1 tribute wonders. i dont see the list as good or bad, im just happy to get a change of pace. when you think of it a new band list is like playing a whole new game, so many new decks im sooo excited!!!!

Im actually part of that "still having their senses" as well. I am familiar with what Konami is trying to do, and its kind of funny in the end, to see how the evolution of moving cards to and from each list plays out, and why no one else is seeing this. I guess when you just take into account all the biases that are out there towards certain cards, then throw in the usual "Konami Hate" for not giving us more cards unique to Japan, and thats where everyone goes blind.

[Equinox417]

i c alot of new decks

[nicnac]

i see dark armed dragon unstoppable, hey...wait a minute, i think i'd better get a third!!!!!!!!!!!

[crush_card_virus]

UDE hasn't confirmed this list yet. The OGC might have but the TGC hasn't yet on this day. Oh, and yugioh.wiki is not an official cite.

Tell me when UDE's website, http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/yugioh/en/, comes up with the list, until then, this list is just plain BS.

Oh, and if this list is correct. Then so what? At least they limited raiza, so just LIVE WITH IT! Unless your just a scaredy cat, that is.

[nicnac]

yeah, i know. we know, this list is somewhat irrelavant, but yeah, its here...lol

[yu-gi-oh_noob]

UDE hasn't confirmed this list yet. The OGC might have but the TGC hasn't yet on this day. Oh, and yugioh.wiki is not an official cite.

Tell me when UDE's website, http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/yugioh/en/, comes up with the list, until then, this list is just plain BS.

Oh, and if this list is correct. Then so what? At least they limited raiza, so just LIVE WITH IT! Unless your just a scaredy cat, that is.

Thursday is when the list is supposed to be posted on the UDE website. My only hope is that they change the list before then and ban Dimention Fusion.

[sephiroth_rem]

dont get too excited
yet
wait for thursday
the new list will be out then for the tcg

[Marzbar]

All i'm going to say is that I appreciate that Konami is trying to mix things up. I just think they got it wrong.

Sure MACE and I are happy Raiza is no longer a major threat. But don't for a second think Monarchs won't still be dominating. We still have DD Monarchs on the way, and with 3 Apprentice, Dimension Fusion, Allure of Darkness, the Dark Monarch, and more, that deck is going to be powerful.

I have always been a fan of OTK decks because I believed that they required skill to pull off. And if you could pull them off, well done to you. But what Konami has done is create several types of OTK decks that require NO skill at all. I am not going to enjoy the game at all when I keep losing to Magical Explosion OTK decks. I'm afraid suggesting we could all side in Rainbow Life isn't going to cut it. We will still have lost game 1, and they will probably side into a different deck anyway. And what are we supposed to do? We can only have 15 cards in the side deck. That is NOT ENOUGH to be able to side against all the ridiculously powerful decks that this list has created.

I'm sure people like me will hit the drawing board and try to make some unique creation out of all of this. But overall I think the game suffers. They did SOME things right. But what they need to do is listen to the public more. I don't recall people complaining about MOnster Reborn being banned, or Jinzo only at 2. And certainly nobody was saying COTH needed to be banned.

I really don't think UDE or Konami seems to care about their customers. All they care about apparently is how much money they are going to make when Phantom Darkness sales continue to go crazy as everyone attempts to get all the broken cards that they excluded from this list.

You might be able to get away with it this time. But don't expect to hand us this sort of **** come September.

[nicnac]

Clap Clap!! Bravo Marz, You Understand!!

[kingdragon]

OK, WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?

I hate almost all of it. I love my Cdras, and My raizas(Which I just got 2) and Breaker, and now they got hit hard. Monster reborn shoild never see the light of day. Never ever. 3 Jinzo is extreme trap hate, and now I can't run my 3 bottomleses, and wing blasts as well.They also lost alot of money, with the new deck coming out.


BUt I do like gadgets coming back, and raiza can't hurt as much,but I still dislike this list

[DasUberGermanMan123]

Man they didnt Touch stratos i hope this list is Fake ireally do but it would be good if some of the cards listed were true

[JerkJerk]

I deck you should see strt seeing play is Prime Material Drgon decks and things like Waboku being mained...at least thats a start for you all to think about.

[kingdragon]

Big big uprising of Zaborgs again too

[DasUberGermanMan123]

Either Him Or Caius the shadow monarch

[layne95]

i think demise will stand his ground following in chaos emerors footsteps btw check out and help me fix my reformated demise otk

[CyberAttack12]

this will be a fun format, i love aggro decks and this format has been so slow. this format will stop demise and burn for the most part. It will also stop removal because why run removal if you can monster reborn dmoc then get reborn back and do disk commander and tribute for jinzo, now thats F*CKIN BROKE!!!!

this will be a great format

[Omicron_Pi_Delta]

i love this list... for my traditional deck... my FTK "exchange of the exodia spirit" is again, 99.9% win on first turn... oh yeah!!!

[Headphone_Poetics]

would every1 please stop saying this list sucks. its the ocg list, not tcg so we dont have to play by it. if this was the list DDT would be unstoppable

OCG List = Our List since like 2006

this list sees VERY few HUGE meta changes other than:

DMOOOOOCCC!!!

getting summoned like 4 times per game...

Bottomless Trap Hole FTW! (and to top it off Jinzos at three? Machines making a lil comeback? DDT hopelessly over powered? *forces you to shake head yes*)

[Headphone_Poetics]

OK, WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?

I hate almost all of it. I love my Cdras, and My raizas(Which I just got 2) and Breaker, and now they got hit hard. Monster reborn shoild never see the light of day. Never ever. 3 Jinzo is extreme trap hate, and now I can't run my 3 bottomleses, and wing blasts as well.They also lost alot of money, with the new deck coming out.


BUt I do like gadgets coming back, and raiza can't hurt as much,but I still dislike this list


Sell those Raiza NOW, with a quickness, dumb folks will still pay $35 each, plus he's coming common in the new structure.

P.S. Macro Van,Dalgyon Decks WILL be THE best deck to run this format, hands down...

and i LOL at memories of people whining 4 formats back about CyDrag going untouched, now its restricted and NOBODY REALLY CARES LMAO.

[DasUberGermanMan123]

Why do all people seem to hate monarchs

[Mr_Anderson]

Why do all people seem to hate monarchs
Because people love to complain.

[Gambler5150]

WoW this is going to be fun.

(Shanking with anticapation).

Bring it!!!!!

[Dobaniki]

I will try and make my review of this list short and sweet.

Call of the haunted and monster reborn share similar roles. One of these 2 cards is broken and one of these 2 cards isn't. What in gods name were they thinking when they brought back the rightfully banned monster reborn and banned the very balanced call of the haunted?

A bit harsh on raiza. Semi limit would have been appropriate.

I liked it better when it was 2 apprentice and a magician of faith, but with monster reborn returning this was probably a good idea to reshape the apprentice engine a bit (and the drawing combo with valley/dimension fusion/dmoc/eco).

Yay for the gadgets. They gonna be strong this format, and not over powered.

Shouldnt have touched cyber dragon, nobleman of crossout, foolish burial, or jinzo. They were in the right places. Mixed feelings about ojama trio. What they did to advance ritual are was pretty lame. Just limit/ban off Demise instead. More fair for the other rituals.

Overall mixed feelings about the format. Honestly think the game has taken a turn for the worse, but im not gonna pack up my cards for 6 months that is absurd. Just be ready for a fast meta game with OTK written all over it.

[Marzbar]

I will close this thread if you all continue to spam.

DasUberGermanMan123: your posting is disgraceful. I am deleting half of your posts on this thread because you are posting every second post with meaningless sentences.

vince1234: I don't care how hot you think this thread is. Don't spam.

Last warning everyone.

[minh7194576]

......Althought jinzo is now 3,book of moon is now 2 :D and lots of different quick-play spell is still there.I think we should quit playing trap and use quick-play spell instead.If u use trap try to use the counter ones....(Becareful of invader of darkness)
Too bad for the OCG players lol they are going to have their butts kick by MR

[CyberRaiza-EN026]

Marzbar- All i'm going to say is that I appreciate that Konami is trying to mix things up. I just think they got it wrong.

Sure MACE and I are happy Raiza is no longer a major threat. But don't for a second think Monarchs won't still be dominating. We still have DD Monarchs on the way, and with 3 Apprentice, Dimension Fusion, Allure of Darkness, the Dark Monarch, and more, that deck is going to be powerful.

I have always been a fan of OTK decks because I believed that they required skill to pull off. And if you could pull them off, well done to you. But what Konami has done is create several types of OTK decks that require NO skill at all. I am not going to enjoy the game at all when I keep losing to Magical Explosion OTK decks. I'm afraid suggesting we could all side in Rainbow Life isn't going to cut it. We will still have lost game 1, and they will probably side into a different deck anyway. And what are we supposed to do? We can only have 15 cards in the side deck. That is NOT ENOUGH to be able to side against all the ridiculously powerful decks that this list has created.

I'm sure people like me will hit the drawing board and try to make some unique creation out of all of this. But overall I think the game suffers. They did SOME things right. But what they need to do is listen to the public more. I don't recall people complaining about MOnster Reborn being banned, or Jinzo only at 2. And certainly nobody was saying COTH needed to be banned.

I really don't think UDE or Konami seems to care about their customers. All they care about apparently is how much money they are going to make when Phantom Darkness sales continue to go crazy as everyone attempts to get all the broken cards that they excluded from this list.

You might be able to get away with it this time. But don't expect to hand us this sort of **** come September.

so true, i don't think any one could have put a lot of that info any better. also monster reborn coming back may be a good thing, it'll keep monarchs alive. just use monster reborn, brain, and soul exchange, and three fiend's sanctuary and 13 monarchs! you'll have a monarch in ur hand every first turn and a way to summon it. that'll keep monarchs alive and the idea for that deck is copyrighted. i'll put that deck up soon, then the rets of the spots are filled with apprentice engine or gadgets, all the staples, cydras, and tech. :) it's ingenious.

[BOOYUGI]

The only logical explanation I can think of for monster reborn being brought back and call being banned is for the fact of disk commander abuse. it takes away from only 1 person being able to abuse his effect if it is in your own deck and lets your opponent get to abuse that effect among other effects lurking in your graveyard. DMOCC, disk commander, jinzo, etc. You get the picture.

[CyberRaiza-EN026]

and come on everyone, monster reborn coming back will be fun and it'll put twilight circle more in it's grave (it's slow and it's disc can be used against it).

[Monolightning]

The confirmed "UDE" banned list will be posted thursday on metagame.com. I highly doubt there will be any change, but just decided I should post this for those who are still praying.

[crush_card_virus]

The confirmed "UDE" banned list will be posted thursday on metagame.com. I highly doubt there will be any change, but just decided I should post this for those who are still praying.

Actually, it will be on UDE's website. I doubt that UDE's going to leave the list like this, though. They at least are going to do something to lessen the complaining.

[KojinSagara]

Result of Ban list:

apparently the last ban list wasn't enough to kill demise otk, which is what they wanted, so they gave it the finishing blow. They have to be way more creative now.

Machine Beatdown is back with a vengence, starring Gadgets and jinzo. im glad fifth gadget is back but jinzo at 3?

Raiza at 1 stops slow down the broken advantage that perfect circle and LaDD decks had, which makes it a much fairer matchup.

Burn was weakened greatly with the added jinzo and 2 royal decree. Traps are nearly dead in this metagame i anticipate.

i need to ge tgadgets again.

[Vince21]

This metagame will bring challeneges to all. As stated already, this format has OTK written all over it. We will be seeing SoRL, Waboku, and Kuriboh alot more this format. But knowing us we will all find a way around this. As for the new list, i'm alittle disapointed. Bringing back MR was not the smartest thing UDE has done and putting Jinzo at 3? Soo many people will abuse the old combo of sending Jinzo to the grave and then reborning him your looking at someone who will abuse this hardcore. BtSO+MR+Jinzo anyone?

[BigStinkin'Ape]

what the Fack!!!monster reborn back?rizia limited??jinzo in 3's???to quote lord jirya
"the mind reels at the posablities"

[JerkJerk]

This metagame will bring challeneges to all. As stated already, this format has OTK written all over it. We will be seeing SoRL, Waboku, and Kuriboh alot more this format. But knowing us we will all find a way around this. As for the new list, i'm alittle disapointed. Bringing back MR was not the smartest thing UDE has done and putting Jinzo at 3? Soo many people will abuse the old combo of sending Jinzo to the grave and then reborning him your looking at someone who will abuse this hardcore. BtSO+MR+Jinzo anyone?

I think we may see SoRL and Waboku being maindecked as chainable trpas to ensure ME FTK is dead but with, what I like to call it, My DAD is better than your DAD decks, Banishers and Kycoos and Crow may be played in Trips. Gaia Gate is getting big REALLY FAST! I doubt there is one truely effective way to get rid of it other than bottomlessor negating Dark Calling with Solemn/Bribe or even Cursed Seal of the forbiddin spell. All I know is that I am taking out PWWB out of my new format decks as it really won't be effective enough to stop the OTK onslaught. The last thing I am going to say for now is about DDT. Possibley the fastest OTK alive right now. Cursed Seal in 3. The only solution. Keep the opponent from using Gates or Reasonings and let them suffer with maintaining the game.

[harryyugioh]

to be absolutly honest i will also be quiting the game for this 1-6 months because of the new banned list, so then i will also be making a zombie deck for this and next year, but if they put metamorphasis or magical scientist restricted in september then i will officially quit the game..

[JerkJerk]

WOW...everytime there is hints of OTKs in format, people quit. If your going to do that...don't come back! If you are having problems with this list, deal with it! Thats what makes good players great and great players Gods. Learning to deal with things now is better than quitting and leaving just becuase "You don't like it". Thats called being a "Quitter" (Go Figure!)

[yu-gi-oh_noob]

Gaia Gate is getting big REALLY FAST! I doubt there is one truely effective way to get rid of it other than bottomlessor negating Dark Calling with Solemn/Bribe or even Cursed Seal of the forbiddin spell.

I helped my friend build a Dark Gaia deck and it is too fast for me to beat, he can get a big Gaia 1st turn every game. I had to put three cursed seals in my side deck just for him. It is helpful in other matchups as well.

[Mr_Anderson]

WOW...everytime there is hints of OTKs in format, people quit. If your going to do that...don't come back! If you are having problems with this list, deal with it! Thats what makes good players great and great players Gods. Learning to deal with things now is better than quitting and leaving just becuase "You don't like it". Thats called being a "Quitter" (Go Figure!)
People usually say they are quitting but most never go through with it.

This list isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. There have been more horrid lists than this.

I do agree with you that SoRL, Waboku and Threatening Roar are going to see more play.

[harryyugioh]

WOW...everytime there is hints of OTKs in format, people quit. If your going to do that...don't come back! If you are having problems with this list, deal with it! Thats what makes good players great and great players Gods. Learning to deal with things now is better than quitting and leaving just becuase "You don't like it". Thats called being a "Quitter" (Go Figure!)

im not quiting im just stopping for a little while...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[crush_card_virus]

to be absolutly honest i will also be quiting the game for this 1-6 months because of the new banned list, so then i will also be making a zombie deck for this and next year, but if they put metamorphasis or magical scientist restricted in september then i will officially quit the game..

Wow, if your quiting just because there are more OTKs, then u shouldn't have played this game in the first place. Stop whining about how this list is not what you wanted it to be.

[harryyugioh]

o fine then i'll keep playing >_>

[GearGod]

I think we may see SoRL and Waboku being maindecked as chainable trpas to ensure ME FTK is dead but with, what I like to call it, My DAD is better than your DAD decks, Banishers and Kycoos and Crow may be played in Trips. Gaia Gate is getting big REALLY FAST! I doubt there is one truely effective way to get rid of it other than bottomlessor negating Dark Calling with Solemn/Bribe or even Cursed Seal of the forbiddin spell. All I know is that I am taking out PWWB out of my new format decks as it really won't be effective enough to stop the OTK onslaught. The last thing I am going to say for now is about DDT. Possibley the fastest OTK alive right now. Cursed Seal in 3. The only solution. Keep the opponent from using Gates or Reasonings and let them suffer with maintaining the game.

Yes indeed. And Creator Turbo will also speed up. By the way, what is ME FTK? ANd how does Gaia Gate work?

[Monolightning]

People usually say they are quitting but most never go through with it.

This list isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. There have been more horrid lists than this.


For example, when the envoys were allowed.........

[player1]

guys dont panic this ban list will be like a playtesting banlist, in six month MR will be back banned again and maybe 4ever

[GearGod]

Ya ur right. And we might even get Reborn banned rite before Worlds, like Stein was banned

[Necroface]

Call is probably banned because it's chainable . . . that's the only reason I can think of.

I'm not saying it's a good reason, but that's my guess.

[CyberRaiza-EN026]

call is banned because if we can have 3 jinzo it's too broken, it's chainable, and if we're getting reboen back we can't also have call and preme.

[Necroface]

Yeah . . . but I would think they banned Call and then decided to bring Jinzo back, not the other way around.

[CyberRaiza-EN026]

necroface- Yeah . . . but I would think they banned Call and then decided to bring Jinzo back, not the other way around.

either way works, but urs is more likely. though, hey who knows what's in their heads, they've worked years to destroy any hope of an otk permanetly and then they give us otks liek crazy (and any one with half a brain could realize that dozens of otks will form and several will dominate).

[layne95]

gaia gate or e gate is dumping deck for dark calling fusing valkyrion and wicked dreadroot to create a badazz monster

[JerkJerk]

gaia gate or e gate is dumping deck for dark calling fusing valkyrion and wicked dreadroot to create a badazz monster

Valykiron and Grinder Golem (Wicked Dreadroot? Why?) to form a 6000 ATK point monster and then use a bunch of S/T removal and activate a bunch of Equips (which is why ppl were putting arms hole on the limit lest...semi to me is better) and attack over the opponents monster adn/or Attack directly for instant game.

ME FTK= Magical Explosion First-Turn Kill

[Latoma]

Dreadroot was added as a milled-fiend because at the worst case scenario, you could at least summon it with ease by tributing 3 monsters (unlikely but possible), making it a suitable replacement for the x1/x2 Raviel some people teched.

[Headphone_Poetics]

to be absolutly honest i will also be quiting the game for this 1-6 months because of the new banned list, so then i will also be making a zombie deck for this and next year, but if they put metamorphasis or magical scientist restricted in september then i will officially quit the game..

you kids are being a bunch of DRAMA QUEENS, a bad banlist? boo hoo, I've never seen this many intelligent young people whine and cry about something so small as a bad format (ONE OF MANY), for all we know the list could DIFFER, remember last format's supposed new format lists? (Chaos Sorc at one again? not really). Point is I'm far from hostile as many of you can tell, but this "Whaa, quit before i start BS" is killing me just leave then, no posts saying why, quit then quitter, I hate quitters, I could'nt afford a competetive deck for almost a whole year, and hey looky! I'M STILL HERE, one Monarch infested format after another. this list is an honest attempt at balance in the game (with the exception of DDT's cash cow status...)

3 Jinzo > Macro and slow decks

3 Apprentice/Swap > slow the meta down a bit, strengthen Macro

1 Monster Reborn > abuse of enemy cards

1 Raiza > to balance out the Monarchs (very little...) and to promote new tribs to be splashed into decks ie. Caius

2 Book > HELLO! Monarch hate, and more creative deck possibilities (I can see Marz doing a little something with these, Sasuke Samurai/MSLV2 Decks FTW?

3 Gadgets > gives another deck to combat cards that capitalize slow tempos

and Macro was UNTOUCHED because it is going to be to the ENTIRE META what Recruiter Chaos (with Decrees), was to regular Chaos Return.

I'm shelling out the money to buy 3 Bribes tommorow, you guys want to bank on a deck to be the dominant force? I vote:

"Allure Van Macro Decks"

AVM FTW

[JerkJerk]

you kids are being a bunch of DRAMA QUEENS, a bad banlist? boo hoo, I've never seen this many intelligent young people whine and cry about something so small as a bad format, for all we know the list could DIFFER, remember last format's supposed new format lists? (Chaos Sorc at one again? not really). Point is I'm far from hostile as many of you can tell, but this "Whaa, quit before i start BS" is killing me just leave then, no posts saying why, quit then quitter, I hate quitters, I could'nt afford a competetive deck for almost a whole year, and hey looky! I'M STILL HERE, one Monarch infested format after another. this list is an honest attempt at balance in the game (with the exception of DDT's cash cow status...)

3 Jinzo > Macro and slow decks

3 Apprentice/Swap > slow the meta down a bit, strengthen Macro

1 Monster Reborn > abuse of enemy cards

1 Raiza > to balance out the Monarchs (very little...) and to promote new tribs to be splashed into decks ie. Caius

2 Book > HELLO! Monarch hate, and more creative deck possibilities (I can see Marz doing a little something with these, Sasuke Samurai/MSLV2 Decks FTW?

3 Gadgets > gives another deck to combat cards that capitalize slow tempos

and Macro was UNTOUCHED because it is going to be to the ENTIRE META what Recruiter Chaos (with Decrees), was to regular Chaos Return.

I'm shelling out the money to buy 3 Bribes tommorow, you guys want to bank on a deck to be the dominant force? I vote:

"Allure Van Macro Decks"

AVM FTW

THANK YOU! Another person to add to the list of people who aren't whinners...Jeez....You people should start thinking of how to counter the meta or fall in suite. Gaia gate's cheap, ME FTK is Fairly cheap, Prime Material Dragon, Macro Van Horn, My DAD is better than your DAD...there are PLENTY of playable deck types. Pick one and make a Stand!

[GearGod]

you kids are being a bunch of DRAMA QUEENS, a bad banlist? boo hoo, I've never seen this many intelligent young people whine and cry about something so small as a bad format, for all we know the list could DIFFER, remember last format's supposed new format lists? (Chaos Sorc at one again? not really). Point is I'm far from hostile as many of you can tell, but this "Whaa, quit before i start BS" is killing me just leave then, no posts saying why, quit then quitter, I hate quitters, I could'nt afford a competetive deck for almost a whole year, and hey looky! I'M STILL HERE, one Monarch infested format after another. this list is an honest attempt at balance in the game (with the exception of DDT's cash cow status...)

3 Jinzo > Macro and slow decks

3 Apprentice/Swap > slow the meta down a bit, strengthen Macro

1 Monster Reborn > abuse of enemy cards

1 Raiza > to balance out the Monarchs (very little...) and to promote new tribs to be splashed into decks ie. Caius

2 Book > HELLO! Monarch hate, and more creative deck possibilities (I can see Marz doing a little something with these, Sasuke Samurai/MSLV2 Decks FTW?

3 Gadgets > gives another deck to combat cards that capitalize slow tempos

and Macro was UNTOUCHED because it is going to be to the ENTIRE META what Recruiter Chaos (with Decrees), was to regular Chaos Return.

I'm shelling out the money to buy 3 Bribes tommorow, you guys want to bank on a deck to be the dominant force? I vote:

"Allure Van Macro Decks"

AVM FTW
YESYESYESYES!!!!!!!! As JerkJerk said, you are right, some people are acting like primadonnas over the list.

[crush_card_virus]

I'm not complaining about this list. If ude decides to go with this list and more wussies quite, thats fine with me. I'll just be dealing with less of them than before and be dealing with more actually good duelists. It might look bad now, but it might look better later.

[layne95]

i think that this list is horrible and good a t same time e-gate is stupid ddt is w/e but macro is da king of da castle but zombies well bye bye

[JerkJerk]

i think that this list is horrible and good a t same time e-gate is stupid ddt is w/e but macro is da king of da castle but zombies well bye bye

DDT is W/E?!?!?!? Are you following the meta at all?!?!?! The TOP DECK in the meta is DDT!!!!!! Please dont post things like that......

[Headphone_Poetics]

I'm not complaining about this list. If ude decides to go with this list and more wussies quite, thats fine with me. I'll just be dealing with less of them than before and be dealing with more actually good duelists. It might look bad now, but it might look better later.

exactly, i mean, they coulda brought back something over the top, ie Graceful, Tribe, Dark Hole (LOL it's been done before)

the card I thought they'd bring back (if they were smart, eh hem)

Imperial Order

this card is VERY balanced in a 3 Jinzo, 3 Mobius, 3 Dust Tornado, 2 Decree, 3 Caius, 1 Raiza, 3 Bribe, 3 Solemn, so on and so format.

this card needs to come back, the only problem i see is it has virtually no drawbacks.

but nobody is complaining about Monster Re- oh wait, YEAH THEY ARE! lol

soon as i saw the list i did what any go-getter/good player does, i plotted my next move accordingly.

also I'm having slight doubts as to the authenticity of this list (no flamming) semi-limit CyDrag? even if it's to slow down the meta they just killed a $30 fusion card, namely CED. Konami loves their money, i doubt they want to have kids stop shelling out 30 per CyDrag, and his fusions.

Monster Reborn = Best card in the game,

so lets deprive our opponents of it's use shall we?

[mirari_anim]

Yeah, I've been playing the game before the TCG (so that means I started with the OCG, for those that don't know) and the only list like liked was when it didn't exist... anyway, I'm not quitting, nor do I ever plan on quitting. The only complaint I have is that every new ban list gives players a reason to be cookie cutter, no original decks. It's not original nor creative, the game used to be really fun with not knowing what your opponents were using. Now its still fun but thats slowly dying out every time I duel against the same deck. It doesn't really show off any skill, originallity or creativity to slightly modify someone elses deck... and sorry to those who thought of the decks first. And yes I know that eventually every deck gets copied and modified, but come on... lets see some creative decks out there, please... here's a challenge, someone create a Toon Deck. Like the original show, a Pegasus Toon Deck, and make it tournament worthy... that would be a deck I would be proud to play against... at least the person was trying to be different.

[Dark-Horus]

semi-limit CyDrag? even if it's to slow down the meta they just killed a $30 fusion card, namely CED. Konami loves their money, i doubt they want to have kids stop shelling out 30 per CyDrag, and his fusions.

UDE and Konami do not see a penny of that money, they make exactly the same from a booster pack or box no matter what cards they contain.. so money doesnt even come into it for older sets.

However, where the money does affect the list is cards like Dark Armed Dragon, CCyber Valley (not a typo ;) )and friends, those will stay unlimited for at least this and maybe one more list while people buy boxes etc trying to get a full playset.

For example, Raiza finally seeing a limit is probbably due to sales of Force of the Breaker dropping off or leveling out or something.

[BurnForGame]

I'll say it right now: I'm a burn player and I'm not going anywhere. Sure, I would have liked certain issues to be addressed differently, but I won't bring them up because they come up every time and they are different for everyone.

Now on to the point: MR is dangerous and all, but it does balance out cards like Disk Commander. Now you can take it from your opponent's grave and remove it for Valley, just to name one example. The graveyard has been relatively safe for a while now since Zombies and their Book of Life fell off the cliff, etc. (save for Macro) and MR levels the playing field, at least in terms of these effects.

The whole "OTK" issue is likely to come up quickly, but that's going to need a correction consisting of many cards, something that historically has happened over time rather than instantly. Could this be a Cyber-Stein kind of event to come? That's not my guess to make.

Personally, I'm scared to death of ME FTK...but that's just me. It's obviously hard to counteract that kind of speed. It's going to be out of the control of the player who goes second sometimes, and I'm not just saying that. I've seen a top player (no namedropping, so don't ask) trying it out and I knew right then that things were about to change.

I have some advice for those who are concerned that this format will be something worth quitting over: At the very least, wait and see what actually emerges. Look through your cards and consider anything and everything. As someone said much earlier here, the emergence of a card like PWWB shows that a new idea can also be an old one. :)

[Marauding]

I like the list, i just hope they limit allure, is just not fair :(

[Dark-Horus]

I like the list, i just hope they limit allure, is just not fair :(

I refer you to my previous post. As it will also apply to Allure.


However, where the money does affect the list is cards like Dark Armed Dragon, CCyber Valley (not a typo ;) )and friends, those will stay unlimited for at least this and maybe one more list while people buy boxes etc trying to get a full playset.

For example, Raiza finally seeing a limit is probbably due to sales of Force of the Breaker dropping off or leveling out or something.

[JerkJerk]

I'll say it right now: I'm a burn player and I'm not going anywhere. Sure, I would have liked certain issues to be addressed differently, but I won't bring them up because they come up every time and they are different for everyone.

Now on to the point: MR is dangerous and all, but it does balance out cards like Disk Commander. Now you can take it from your opponent's grave and remove it for Valley, just to name one example. The graveyard has been relatively safe for a while now since Zombies and their Book of Life fell off the cliff, etc. (save for Macro) and MR levels the playing field, at least in terms of these effects.

The whole "OTK" issue is likely to come up quickly, but that's going to need a correction consisting of many cards, something that historically has happened over time rather than instantly. Could this be a Cyber-Stein kind of event to come? That's not my guess to make.

Personally, I'm scared to death of ME FTK...but that's just me. It's obviously hard to counteract that kind of speed. It's going to be out of the control of the player who goes second sometimes, and I'm not just saying that. I've seen a top player (no namedropping, so don't ask) trying it out and I knew right then that things were about to change.

I have some advice for those who are concerned that this format will be something worth quitting over: At the very least, wait and see what actually emerges. Look through your cards and consider anything and everything. As someone said much earlier here, the emergence of a card like PWWB shows that a new idea can also be an old one. :)

Thats basically what everyone is saying....only time will tell if it is to be so....

[timothydarwincobbs]

when does the new ban list hit?

[Necroface]

March first, and ours is supposed to come out later today.

[JerkJerk]

March first, and ours is supposed to come out later today.

No ours still comes in effect March 1st.

[Marzbar]

It's out now. Draco made a sticky.

It's exactly the same as the OCG list.

[JerkJerk]

It's out now. Draco made a sticky.

It's exactly the same as the OCG list.

Didint see that one coming....:rolleyes:

[layne95]

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan(in a person who is high voice) this is going to be a testing format which means major limiting is coming september i m going to be running van'zombie

[Headphone_Poetics]

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan(in a person who is high voice) this is going to be a testing format which means major limiting is coming september i m going to be running van'zombie


lol yeah, i was telling anduril that Van Zombie looks good (Goblin Zombies cost eww though), but i feel Allure Van Macro is more affordable/Better.

also the comment about PWWB's emmergence, THANK YOU, who would thought of using that? not many of the quitters here I bet...

[DasUberGermanMan123]

and now the Madness Begins...Again

[Gambler5150]

Let's duel.

Sorry just wanted to say this is going to be a fun format.

Bring it.

[rich_boy_magic92]

i am very happy about this format b/c i have a zombie deck and it wasnt effected at all except for call of the haunted but i got monster reborn instead

the obvious deck that will rule the meta is DaD

[layne95]

i chabnged my mind on the zombies and decided to just go with hugo adames macro build except i made it so it is more aggresive and faster

[Pharaoh Horus]

My bet is that Konami will make some "last minute" changes to the limited and forbidden lists.

[crush_card_virus]

My bet is that Konami will make some "last minute" changes to the limited and forbidden lists.
my guess to, however, that isn't easy to believe. the list might be posted on UDE's forum, however, that doesn't mean it is yet official. they might make some small changes to it(like limiting DAD, reasoning, and monster gate) but i think that most of it will be the same. sjc Houston was a testing ground for the new OTKs and the OTKs did make an impact, so konomi and UDE might alter the list some. i think monster reborn, however, is stay on there, though. they did that for a reason, and it might be the reason they don't have to alter the list.

[DasUberGermanMan123]

we Can all hope they do

[System357]

This is almost as funny as speculating ON the Ban List. If UDE holds true to form, theres no reason for them to post the list until a couple days before the weekend, when the Ban List will be enforced. What purpose does it serve at this point?

UDE has it (meaning, the "Official" list) posted on their website. All you nonbelievers out there, still clinging to the faint hope that UDE will change the Ban List..... I can only feel sorry that aceeptance of a perceived "mediocre" Ban List is hard to take, but it wont get any easier being in denial.

[Falkinburg]

man, i hope that this isnt the real list (i know that is an over-used line, but its true).... cyber dragon i can live with... razia, doesnt hurt as bad as i thought... but breaker, mof? they werent really as good as....say....crystal seer? and jinzo running at three? to top it all off......MONSTER REBORN? what the hifl is konami thinking....

Edit: System357, i was just there and it still says there isnt a list....maybe you could post a link?

[crush_card_virus]

This is almost as funny as speculating ON the Ban List. If UDE holds true to form, theres no reason for them to post the list until a couple days before the weekend, when the Ban List will be enforced. What purpose does it serve at this point?

UDE has it (meaning, the "Official" list) posted on their website. All you nonbelievers out there, still clinging to the faint hope that UDE will change the Ban List..... I can only feel sorry that aceeptance of a perceived "mediocre" Ban List is hard to take, but it wont get any easier being in denial.

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/yugioh/en/gameplay/forbidden/advanced_current.aspx
that is the official site, btw, and i can't find the ban list there. so i don't know what your talking about other than the UDE forums, (that might not yet be official cause it's not exactly public) i agree, UDE might not change anything, but that doesn't mean the list is official. tell me when the same list comes up on the site above, then i'll believe u.

[Falkinburg]

i know, thats why i asked him for a link to the site where he got his "ban list"

[System357]

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/yugioh/en/gameplay/forbidden/advanced_current.aspx
that is the official site, btw, and i can't find the ban list there. so i don't know what your talking about other than the UDE forums, (that might not yet be official cause it's not exactly public) i agree, UDE might not change anything, but that doesn't mean the list is official. tell me when the same list comes up on the site above, then i'll believe u.

You cant have it both ways. UDE works for Konami. If the OFFICIAL representatives from UDE post a List that is from Konami, then it is Officially posted by UDE. Konami has posted the OCG List. UDE has posted the TCG List. I dont know why this seems to hard to comprehend that if UDE has posted a List to their Official Forum, that it wouldnt be posted as the "OCG List".

Now, here is the link to the Ban List

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/COMMUNITY/forums/thread/1042053.aspx

For those who cant get through, just refer to the List posted here on TCGPlayer. For some odd reason, it looks remarkably the same. Go figure?!?!

Also just to give you some insight, Im going to quote the first few lines of the Thread for the Ban List....



Hello Judges,

The following are the new Forbidden and Limited Cards lists for both the Advanced and Traditional Formats. These lists go into effect on March 1, 2008. They will be updated on the www.wannaduel.com website as soon as possible.

[layne95]

my guess to, however, that isn't easy to believe. the list might be posted on UDE's forum, however, that doesn't mean it is yet official. they might make some small changes to it(like limiting DAD, reasoning, and monster gate) but i think that most of it will be the same. sjc Houston was a testing ground for the new OTKs and the OTKs did make an impact, so konomi and UDE might alter the list some. i think monster reborn, however, is stay on there, though. they did that for a reason, and it might be the reason they don't have to alter the list.

yeah dad made an impression even though it and me otk lost to six samurai but otk made small impression

[Falkinburg]

System , your getting upset over nothing....untill the list at : http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/yugioh/en/gameplay/forbidden/advanced_current.aspx shows what is in the forums, no one will accept it.

[crush_card_virus]

Originally Posted by
Jeff Piroozshad
Premier Events Specialist
Upper Deck Entertainment

Hello Judges,

The following are the new Forbidden and Limited Cards lists for both the Advanced and Traditional Formats. These lists go into effect on March 1, 2008. They will be updated on the www.wannaduel.com website as soon as possible.

Updating it could mean changing the list as well. BTW, that is the www.wannaduel.com official site, and the list hasn't shown up yet on there, meaning that they might be changing it before it goes public. I do agree that they most likely are not changing it, though.

[System357]

System , your getting upset over nothing....untill the list at : http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/yugioh/en/gameplay/forbidden/advanced_current.aspx shows what is in the forums, no one will accept it.

Oh, Im not upset. What I will be upset about, is if nothing changes, and people act like the list is the first time they have seen it, and repost all the same comments they have already made, "again". Its easier to just move on now, and if something changes, roll with it. It cant get any worse unless they actually release Tribe-Infecting Virus....

"I call, Warriors...." :eek:

[crush_card_virus]

Oh, Im not upset. What I will be upset about, is if nothing changes, and people act like the list is the first time they have seen it, and repost all the same comments they have already made, "again". Its easier to just move on now, and if something changes, roll with it. It cant get any worse unless they actually release Tribe-Infecting Virus....

"I call, Warriors...." :eek:
That would suck. I agree that we shouldn't post the same comments again just because we thought they could have changed the list. There is no need to be upset with the list.

[DasUberGermanMan123]

The list is done and its official and i really wished the Banned Dmoc and stratos

[System357]

Thank goodness that its FINALLY Official!! Maybe now people can stop saying that There is still going to be a change because its posted so late, and Houston SJC made UDE go back and relook the Ban List, blah, blah....

And, I seriously doubt 90 days from now they are going to add Dark Armed Dragon to the Restricted or Semi-Limited List. Its a Nomi for one, and how many Nomi Monsters are Banned, let alone Limited, and being a Nomi by itself makes it hard to play with if you end up losing it to the Graveyard early game.

[DasUberGermanMan123]

Its the end of one format and the begging of another SO to anyone who thinks there will be last min Changes ITS ALL OVER YOU HAVE LOST SO CONCEED THE GAME hope i dont get into trouble for that little commet

[crush_card_virus]

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/yugioh/en/gameplay/forbidden/advanced_current.aspx
that is the official site, btw, and i can't find the ban list there. so i don't know what your talking about other than the UDE forums, (that might not yet be official cause it's not exactly public) i agree, UDE might not change anything, but that doesn't mean the list is official. tell me when the same list comes up on the site above, then i'll believe u.
Now the list is official! No changes at all. Sorry for u all who thought UDE would be smart enough to change the list. That's life, and life sucks.

[JerkJerk]

Now the list is official! No changes at all. Sorry for u all who thought UDE would be smart enough to change the list. That's life, and life sucks.

I dont even believe that UDE HAS a say in the list, which sucks...

[crush_card_virus]

Oh, i forgot about konomi, i'll do it over again.

Now the list is official! No changes at all. Sorry for u all who thought Konomi and UDE would be smart enough to change the list. That's life, and life sucks.

[TensaZangetsu92]

im happy reborn is back but im pissed breaker is gone

oh well i still got Mobius

[DasUberGermanMan123]

Man I want to be a member of Mace and Reborn is very Broken

[anduril38]

lol yeah, i was telling anduril that Van Zombie looks good (Goblin Zombies cost eww though), but i feel Allure Van Macro is more affordable/Better.

also the comment about PWWB's emmergence, THANK YOU, who would thought of using that? not many of the quitters here I bet...


Everybody seems to like my V-Zombie creation:D seriously though, Goblin Zombies are VITAL. I only paid $15 each for them.

Anyway, i am a huge fan of this list. Let the games begin!:D

[FiendMasterCVN]

I like this list, lmao Monster Reborn back!!!?!?!?!!