about future Structure Decks

[Thunderer]

Ok I was having a discussion with another duelist and I want everyone's opinion on this.

Lately, we have been seeing lots of good, very hard to get, cards coming out in various collections. These include Monarchs (structure), Cyber Dragon (tin), Horus (structure), etc. The question is: Do you think this is becoming a trend that will continue and accelerate?

One way to look at it is: These cards have been out for a while and it's about time to release them in a common (or similar) version so everyone can play them. Example: Monarchs have been out for a couple of years, so now it's time to make them common. So maybe when Il Blud has been out for a couple of years, we may get it in a tin, structure, or something similar. But probably not any time soon because it would cheapen the value of the ones already out.

The other outlook is: Tournament attendance, sales, and general interest are lower than a few years ago, and this may be a way to get more people interested in playing seriously. If this is so, we may see other elusive cards (like Mirror Force, Grandmaster, Il Blud, A.D. LV10, etc) showing up soon in places other than just booster packs. Otherwise, interest may continue to drop.

We debated this for a while so tell me what you guys think. I know there are a lot of people who keep up on this kind of news and follow the patterns more than we do, so please share your insights.

Thanks.

[t3h_m4n0w4r]

I dont have any official information just my opinion.

I belive that the release of good cards as commons or normal rares, etc. WIll accelerate due to this factor.

The game has been around for a while and nowadays in order to run a rlly good deck you ahve to spend a lot of money. Or at your local tourney you have a few ppl that have deeper pockets then others whole buy the cards for a decent deck that can sweep a tourney. However, for brand new players that don't have much for trades it is hard to even win 2 games. At my local tourney I see about 30 people on a bad day play. About 12 of those are littler kids who don't have much and don't play well.

So I think that to give the newbies a fighting chance without spening tons of money and to keep them very interested in the game, is to release the good cards as easily obtained cards. Thus they would ahve the exact same chances of making a good deck as an experienced player.

I don't know if it is a universal trouble or just a trouble where I go, but nonetheless i think that that needs to be the way it is, becase eventually if those kids don't get into the game then it could die off as we (the current generation) lose our interest throughout our life. In 50 years I prolyl won't be playing so I think we need the availability of good cards to be easily obtained to keep them (the lil kids) interested.

Also, If the great cards of this game become more easily obtainable than it will allow people to get really creative with deck ideas. I mean if you don't have a ccv, can you really make up a deck around it and playtest it? Not really unless u proxy one in. Or if you have a grt deck but it lacks a mirror force and you have junk trades your deck could be ruined without a single hard to get card.

That's all i got to say on this matter.

[UnGaR07]

The other outlook is: Tournament attendance, sales, and general interest are lower than a few years ago, and this may be a way to get more people interested in playing seriously. If this is so, we may see other elusive cards (like Mirror Force, Grandmaster, Il Blud, A.D. LV10, etc) showing up soon in places other than just booster packs. Otherwise, interest may continue to drop.

How do you know this? Have you conducted a Demographic Poll?? It doesnt look like sales or interest are dropping anywhere from the amount of activity on ebay and other internet areas, to include Yugioh Forums, because if they were, we certainly wouldn't be chugging along with Set after Set and Deck after Deck of released product.

[Thunderer]

How do you know this? Have you conducted a Demographic Poll?? It doesnt look like sales or interest are dropping anywhere from the amount of activity on ebay and other internet areas, to include Yugioh Forums, because if they were, we certainly wouldn't be chugging along with Set after Set and Deck after Deck of released product.

Do you mean how do I know attendance/sales have dropped? If that's your question, then my answer is based on what I personally have seen at local card shops and news I have heard from others about Regional events. My local card shop has reduced the amount of YGO cards on display, while other games (MTG, Pirates, Vs, etc) are getting more exposure than before. This usually indicates which items are selling well. Local tournaments I go to have somewhat fewer players than last year at this time. That means interest is dropping (at least in my area). Several sites (including this one) have players that post news about Regional events and many of them are commenting on how participation is lower lately. Of course there may be some places where interest is actually higher too. But so far it seems like most areas are experiencing a drop. It's kind of sad actually. I will miss it if the game ever dies.

[System357]

Do you mean how do I know attendance/sales have dropped? If that's your question, then my answer is based on what I personally have seen at local card shops and news I have heard from others about Regional events. My local card shop has reduced the amount of YGO cards on display, while other games (MTG, Pirates, Vs, etc) are getting more exposure than before. This usually indicates which items are selling well. Local tournaments I go to have somewhat fewer players than last year at this time. That means interest is dropping (at least in my area). Several sites (including this one) have players that post news about Regional events and many of them are commenting on how participation is lower lately. Of course there may be some places where interest is actually higher too. But so far it seems like most areas are experiencing a drop. It's kind of sad actually. I will miss it if the game ever dies.
Interest isnt really dropping. Youve forgotten who your main target is, and who "actually" plays this game. The target of course, is children between the ages of 6-10. Are they the ones you mostly see competing at local events or Regionals? Id say no. So the core players are usually your 11-18 group, who are also interested in Halo 3, World of Warcraft, Madden, real sports, dating, etc... So, at any given time, all of these activities can cause a conflict with each other over which one gets priority on tournament day. Of course, if youre on a real Football team, you arent going to tell your Coach you cant make the game or practice because you have to go play test your Yugioh Deck for a Regional, and for those of you with Girlfriends, I hardly think you would get away with playing Gameking all night while she sits there watching everyday.

Its not that interest is dropping. Every hobby or activity enjoys its spurts of maximum participation and low turnout. This is a natural part of growing up and making choices that dont always involve playing a card game 95% of your waking life.

[Marzbar]

I think the game needs some cards to remain hard to get or at least kept at a high rarity.
I mean I would cry if they released Jinzo as a common. Cards like that should never be common. Give us collectors some cards that will keep their value.

[Darkarsenic]

well at my local place, they place people by the cost of their deck(well, competitively) into 3 tiers, beginner, intermediate, and advanced. beginner decks are usually people(children mostly) who just bought a structure/created a not so great deck(usually pure decks, ex. venom/e-hero/etc etc), intermediate are usually people who had spent some money/time on their decks(harpies, gadgets, toolboxes, usually the ones you don't really expect at a regional), and advanced decks are usually decks that are worth alot(mirror force, monarchs, circles) and if your deck has a hidden potential, you move up classes(usually intermediate to advanced though, beginner decks are usually weeded out fast)

[gino_gallizzi]

well again popularity just depends were you play usually if you play in a major city their will be more players obviously like here in LA every regional is 9 rounds with about 200-400 people every time. The locals just depend were you play and most places are graded on their duelists who play the game like my locals have actual pros like emon and etc. and usually the more advanced players play for money,cards and etc. and run the cc deck of the meta with crush card virus lol. But too get on topic for one their will never be a reprint of il blud because of the fact that its a tcg exclusive. And i hate when their are major jumps in rarity because for most collectors it ruins their value and that means its easier too get your hands on the cc of the meta imo.

[llama101]

see though in a future time this cards may not be as broken as the monarchs that are out now
because now raiza is pretty much splashable
even into a gadget deck
so maybe six samurai and zombies wont be as good as they are now

[UnGaR07]

But too get on topic for one their will never be a reprint of il blud because of the fact that its a tcg exclusive.

You must not have seen how the other TCG exclusive cards are being reprinted in Japan, i.e., Grandmaster of the Six Samurai and Volcanic Rocket, and being given away as Promo Cards at a huge Japanese Tournament.

[Zero9677]

some cards should stay holo but most main deck cards should

like after a while they need to reprint a jinzo since no1 buys pharaoh servant they needed to make tin, then the tin was out of print so he was made in db2. He will probably be printed as a super if not a common in champion packs

So structure decks r basically DB and DR packs but u get all the cards

[TalkPlayNLuv]

You must not have seen how the other TCG exclusive cards are being reprinted in Japan, i.e., Grandmaster of the Six Samurai and Volcanic Rocket, and being given away as Promo Cards at a huge Japanese Tournament.

In terms of referring to Japanese cards, Japanese make almost all the best cards common and easy to get, like Crush Card Virus, Jinzo or the monarchs; The best cards are all very easy to get in Japan since everything that makes a deck great is common or super cheap and easily obtained from LE,PP, Structure Decks or V-Jump Books. If you were to probably make your deck with just Japanese Cards, it will have no value. Thats why if you were to enter any card tournament in the United States you would see EVERY language card is legal to be used EXCEPT Japanese cards since that too easily obtainable

[Pure_Energy]

I think that the new cards, or old cards that are common or alot easier to get because they keep on releasing better and better cards. Eventually, the cards we think are pro will become obsolete, and there will be little to no purpose of using these cards. Its like the good old days, where we thought that those 1600 attack monsters were insane. Good times....

[kristijan]

I think the game needs some cards to remain hard to get or at least kept at a high rarity.
I mean I would cry if they released Jinzo as a common. Cards like that should never be common. Give us collectors some cards that will keep their value.

me toojinzo common,never,but if they give trooper common or d-draw that will be good,i will love trhem if they give aster phoenix structure deck like jaden yuki,but then i think d-draw,d-hero plasma or d-hero maliciuous will be ultra

[Crator-The-Blizid]

hmm i think it's just stuff that was already out in japan in tins and structures so there doing it in america too oh can't wait for dark red eyes metal dragon

[kristijan]

hmm i think it's just stuff that was already out in japan in tins and structures so there doing it in america too oh can't wait for dark red eyes metal dragon

dark red metal dragon,great card,i like his art,attack

[Cruxshadow13]

The one thing that would make Me Quit the Game is if They Came out With a Common Mirror Force. Every Time that a Good Card comes out I always Have the Misfortune of Having them 2 seconds before They Come out in a Structure Deck. I got my First D.D. Warrior( the Ultra one ) and what Do You Know? Boom! Dark Emperor Screws me Over.
Same with Goblin Attack Force, And the Ultimate Horus Lv.6.

[Thunderer]

Crux, I know what you mean. I was convinced they would never make Grandmaster easy to get so I bought my first one (Secret Rare) a few months ago. Then Gold series ruins it for me. I was p.o.'d because my highly collectible card just dropped in value. But I was glad at the same time because I can now find more if I want to make a deck.

[Cruxshadow13]

I can see Solemn Judgments and Dark Bribes coming in a Structure Deck.
That will P**SS ME OFF!

[Rocketman]

Something that I have noticed is that most of the players with the best cards are the same one that go to regional or even travel to Jumps. They are the ones who devote the most time/money to the game. Shouldn't they be rewarded for there dedication? That could be one arguement to keep some cards HARD TO GET.

As one person already posted there is a big defference in the availability of cards in Japan or even prices of singles. I just looked up the price of a Japanese Judgment Dragon(found out that it is only an Ultra there) and it is only $15! But the english secret is roughly around $215-230.

[itsqlt]

i'm torn between making all commons and also keep some as money cards. there's not better feeling than to pull a crush card or bls back in the day. hehe