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Lucid Waker
10-30-2007, 03:09 AM
Razor-tipped Arrow :w:
Instant

Kicker - Tap an untapped white creature you control.

Clash with an opponent. If the clash does not have a winner, destroy target attacking creature.

If you paid ~'s kicker cost, put a copy of ~ on the stack. You may choose a new target for the copy.

Zdarek
10-30-2007, 05:01 AM
...As an additional cost to play ~, you may tap and untapped white creature you control...
This is called Kicker.

Lucid Waker
10-30-2007, 07:24 AM
Sort of. But tell me how you'd conjugate that. Oh, and try telling me something about the card itself.

dragon_flip24
10-30-2007, 08:50 AM
Sort of. But tell me how you'd conjugate that. Oh, and try telling me something about the card itself.

Well, it's pretty interesting. All the clash cards that have been made automatically want you to win, and this just opens up unexplored design space, which is always good.

Lucid Waker
10-30-2007, 03:48 PM
Yay!! Someone else likes my "progress" style of card creation!!

Golgari_Spy
10-30-2007, 06:46 PM
This is called Kicker.

Eventually the real world will win

Until then, we keep fighting for cards that make sense in today's context and aren't overly complicated

Bane_Blazefury
10-30-2007, 11:15 PM
Yay!! Someone else likes my "progress" style of card creation!!

They don't not like your 'progress' as you call it. they don't like you breaking card making rules that don't need to be broken.

This just makes sense cos you could play it in a low cost deck.

So yer good card, but try not to be so snappy towards everyone.

Lucid Waker
10-31-2007, 04:08 PM
You must have a real angsty personality, Bane. I'm not "snappy" toward anyone. Especially not anyone here. I don't know you people.

I just have a hard time fitting into the well-hewn lines of society at large and the norms thereof, and that condition has a habit of manifesting in nearly everything I do.

Perhaps you are merely mistaking my uninhibited honesty for something else? Or are you instead saying that the vast majoiryt of the participants here would rather hedge me out and never see me again?

Golgari_Spy
11-01-2007, 04:21 AM
I just have a hard time fitting into the well-hewn lines of society at large and the norms thereof, and that condition has a habit of manifesting in nearly everything I do.

I found the problem

The solution is to understand there is a reason because we don't like your cards

Lucid Waker
11-02-2007, 06:13 AM
You found the problem, huh? I'm pretty sure I just got done describing my personality to you, Spy. But if you're gonna tell me that if I want anything better than repititious "This is stoopid" comments on my cards, that I'm gonna have to change my freaking personality to stroke your fat ego, then you and me are gonna have some real problems, Spy. You want some retarded, meaningless, simple cards requiring no true thought so you can manage to wrap your brain around them? Have your fill.

Gift of Velis Vel :X::u:
Tribal Sorcery - Shapeshifter

Target creature you control becomes X/X, gains Changeling and loses all other abilities until end of turn.


Tandem Coherence :1::r:
Tribal Sorcery - Elemental

As an additional cost to play ~, tap X untapped red Elemental creatures you control.

~ deals X damage to target creature or player.


Nettlevine Claw :1:
Artifact - Equipment

Equip ~ only to an Elf.

Equipped Elf gets +1/-1.

Equip :1:


Cinder Stonepyre 2RR
Planeswalker - Cinder

+1: Destroy target artifact.
-2: ~ deals 3 damage to target creature.
-9: Destroy up to four target non-Mountain lands an opponent controls.

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filthycur
11-02-2007, 03:25 PM
I still don't see why this isn't written as Kicker instead of an optional additional cost that gives an additional effect?

Lucid Waker
11-03-2007, 02:21 AM
It is Kicker. It just seems weird to me to have something that is Kicker and isn't a mana cost.

Does that seem like a proper way to conjugate the card, now?

Drakonis Mage
11-03-2007, 09:27 AM
arctic merfolk has a kicker that isn't a mana cost, as do magma burst and phyrexian scuta, pollen remedy, and rushing river. So the precedent of non-mana kickers is already there.

Bane_Blazefury
11-05-2007, 03:29 AM
man....
snappy man....

snappy.

I was trying to be rude or to put you in you place or whatever the response meant you though.
I was justs sick of listening to you. and before you go off again


You found the problem, huh? I'm pretty sure I just got done describing my personality to you, Spy. But if you're gonna tell me that if I want anything better than repititious "This is stoopid" comments on my cards, that I'm gonna have to change my freaking personality to stroke your fat ego, then you and me are gonna have some real problems, Spy. You want some retarded, meaningless, simple cards requiring no true thought so you can manage to wrap your brain around them? Have your fill. just thought i'd take the time to say making spy bold was pretty cool.

this above example is called snapping.


The funny this is, i liked your card. But you seemed to have lost notice of that in your sudden urge to write a comeback.