Official UDE Forbidden/Restricted List (Sept. 2007)

[dragon0466]

It's that time again, and Confiscation, Metamorphosis, Ring of Destruction, and Snatch Steal are out of advanced. Check out the full list inside...




I. Forbidden Cards

You cannot use these cards in your Deck or Side Deck:

BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING
BUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMA
CHANGE OF HEART
CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE END
CHAOS SORCERER
CONFISCATION
CYBER JAR
CYBER-STEIN
DARK HOLE
DELINQUENT DUO
EXCHANGE OF THE SPIRIT
FIBER JAR
GRACEFUL CHARITY
HARPIE'S FEATHER DUSTER
IMPERIAL ORDER
LAST TURN
LAST WILL
MAGICAL SCIENTIST
MAKYURA THE DESTRUCTOR
METAMORPHOSIS
MIRAGE OF NIGHTMARE
MONSTER REBORN
PAINFUL CHOICE
POT OF GREED
RAIGEKI
RING OF DESTRUCTION
SINISTER SERPENT
SNATCH STEAL
THE FORCEFUL SENTRY
THOUSAND-EYES RESTRICT
TIME SEAL TRIBE-INFECTING VIRUS
TSUKUYOMI
VICTORY DRAGON
WITCH OF THE BLACK FOREST
YATA-GARASU

NEW! - Confiscation, Metamorphosis, Ring of Destruction, Snatch Steal


II. Limited Cards

You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:

BOOK OF MOON
BRAIN CONTROL
BREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIOR
CALL OF THE HAUNTED
CARD DESTRUCTION
CARD TROOPER
CEASEFIRE
CHAIN STRIKE
CRUSH CARD VIRUS
D. D. WARRIOR LADY
DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS
DESTINY HERO - DISK COMMANDER
DIMENSION FUSION
ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS
EXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONE
FISSURE
FUTURE FUSION
GIANT TRUNADE
GOLD SARCOPHAGUS
GRAVITY BIND
GREEN BABOON, DEFENDER OF THE FOREST
HEAVY STORM
LEFT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
LEFT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
LEVEL LIMIT - AREA B
LIMITER REMOVAL
MAGE POWER
MAGIC CYLINDER
MAGICAL STONE EXCAVATION
MAGICIAN OF FAITH
MARSHMALLON
MEGAMORPH
MIND CRUSH
MIRROR FORCE
MORPHING JAR
MYSTICAL SPACE TYPHOON
NEO-SPACIAN GRAND MOLE
NIGHT ASSAILANT
OVERLOAD FUSION
PREMATURE BURIAL
RIGHT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
RIGHT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
SANGAN
SCAPEGOAT
SMASHING GROUND
SNIPE HUNTER
SPIRIT REAPER
SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT
THE TRANSMIGRATION PROPHECY
TORRENTIAL TRIBUTE
TRAP DUSTSHOOT
TREEBORN FROG
TWIN-HEADED BEHEMOTH
ULTIMATE OFFERING
UNITED WE STAND
WALL OF REVEALING LIGHT

NEW! - Brain Control, Breaker the Magical Warrior, Card Trooper, Destiny Hero - Disk Commander, Fissure, Gold Sarcophagus, Magician of Faith, Marshmallon, Megamorph, Smashing Ground, Snipe Hunter, Trap Dustshoot, The Transmigration Prophecy, Wall of Revealing Light


III. Semi-Limited Cards

You can ONLY use two of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:

APPRENTICE MAGICIAN
CREATURE SWAP
DESTINY HERO - MALICIOUS
GREEN GADGET
JINZO
MANTICORE OF DARKNESS
MASK OF DARKNESS
NOBLEMAN OF CROSSOUT
POT OF AVARICE
RECKLESS GREED
RED GADGET
REINFORCEMENT OF THE ARMY
ROYAL DECREE
YELLOW GADGET

NEW! - Destiny Hero - Malicious, Green Gadget, Jinzo, Nobleman of Crossout, Pot of Avarice, Red Gadget, Royal Decree, Yellow Gadget

NEW! - The following cards are no longer Limited: D.D. Assailant, Deck Devastation Virus, Good Goblin Housekeeping, Protector of the Sanctuary

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/yugioh/en/gameplay/forbidden/advanced_current_new.aspx

[Dr. StRaNj]

I hope to god this is acurate. Can anyone say fifth hope for the win?

[dragon0466]

now you can use 2 pot and 3 fifth hope ( but no one will)
OMG

Now u can see a e-hero deck return deck

[blue mechanic]

it is interesting. personally i like 2 jinzo, unbanned breaker and un restricted d.d.assailant

[chicken_master]

i have to say that they did a better job than i expected, but i dont like jinzo at 2 very much...

and pot of avrice at 2 with mof at 1?

[Soulking518]

OMFG so many things im happy about and so many im sad about but 2 jinzos...ftl now i gotta get 4 more copies -.-

Card trooper to 1
Ring = 0 :(
Breaker and Faith off!! YAY
Finally Protector is off lol

[samus500]

But thats the Japanese list though...would it reflect the English list too?

[Soulking518]

But thats the Japanese list though...would it reflect the English list too?

Seeing as most of the time American Bans the same cards as Japan, i would say yes. EX. Stratos limited from what happened in Japanese metagame on previous list. Also Victory Dragon banned.

[Lightside1]

Please tell me this is not the list.......I'm NOT a fan really......It's ok I just really can't see this.Will I guess you can use pot about three times now and Two jinzo!!!The only card am really happy to see back is Breaker yes...and trapdustshoot to 1 and confiscation gone...does anyone see Don coming back into play...If this is the list what kind of deck would you start off with at a SJ..

I also think Thestalos the Firestorm Monarch is gonna be a great card now with Raiza the Storm Monarch..but I wish every Monarch was Semi now and the only one(S) that should be ran in three is Granmarg the Rock Monarch (http://www.duelyugioh.com/db/search_result_card.asp?id=4765) and Mobius the Frost Monarch (http://www.duelyugioh.com/db/search_result_card.asp?id=4658)

[Soulking518]

Please tell me this is not the list.......I'm NOT a fan really......It's ok I just really can't see this.Will I guess you can use pot about three times now and Two jinzo!!!The only card am really happy to see back is Breaker yes...and trapdustshoot to 1 and confiscation gone...does anyone see Don coming back into play...If this is the list what kind of deck would you start off with at a SJ
I agree COMPLETELY with you about this list. I never liked confiscation or dustshoot or trooper :P but i dont really care about trooper even if it was at 3 i wouldn't care. Breaker is my favorite card :D ~Eye :heart: Him~

[chaos1]

Man I dont belive they didn't ban Treeborn Frog and Chimeratech Overdragon, and Jinzo at 2 thats crazy lol. I can see Breaker and Magician coming back. I think someone is smoking Crack!

[Darknecro]

I have mixed feelings about the list and Why Jinzo at two that is just dumb!

[Soulking518]

Jinzo at 2 = VERY BROKEN and DUMB
Smashing Ground at 1 but Fissure at 3 ;)
Finally, DDA at 3 :D sorry DDWL, but DDA is my new D.D. card

Apprentice Magician + Crystal Seer + Old Vindictive + MOF =
Apprentice Ownage!! Quick! Someone build a nice Apprentice deck!

[Lightside1]

I have mixed feelings about the list and Why Jinzo at two that is just dumb!

Super dumb...I'm gonna hate seeing Jinzo at two why....?I really don't see people trying two pots but be my guess I'll just get it back with MoF...Wait why did they put Jinzo and Royal at two..I just don't get it..should have just left Royal at three with one Jinzo

[Darknecro]

Jinzo at 2 = VERY BROKEN and DUMB
Smashing Ground at 1 but Fissure at 3 ;)
Finally, DDA at 3 :D sorry DDWL, but DDA is my new D.D. card

Apprentice Magician + Crystal Seer + Old Vindictive + MOF =
Apprentice Ownage!! Quick! Someone build a nice Apprentice deck!
Actually if you click on the link and look at the list Fissure is at one so it looks like Gadgets are taking a hit and NOC at took is just so good with Seer seeing play it should keep that deck in check I hope. Also DDV at 3 is just amazing for Zombiies!

[Dr. StRaNj]

I dont think jinzo is that broken, j/k. He is dam broken, but there are ways around him. Either way the apprentice engine seems to be kicking back up so its ok.
Ps. PoA at 2 makes me jolly inside!

[Lightside1]

Actually if you click on the link and look at the list Fissure is at one so it looks like Gadgets are taking a hit and NOC at took is just so good with Seer seeing play it should keep that deck in check I hope. Also DDV at 3 is just amazing for Zombiies!

Lol and they semi the gadgets guess we won't see them that much well E-Control With S-Crush..I guess that is the new Gadget look and plus Hammer shot and NoC...so you can still Kinda play them....Burn Is just out for me now I don't see it being played like I use to now the MoF is back whats the point of my Wave-Motions?(Heavy Storm)

[i_used_to_think]

It's good to remember that Japan has very different restrictions to cards as we do. This is because they have more booster packs that have already come out such as Jaden 3 and premium cards. Nobleman of crossout and Breaker the Magical Warrior should stay as they were in the list.

[Zero9677]

This list is so ridiculously bad i would instantly quit if the american list is even remotely like this

Likes: Brain 1
Ring/snatch ban
Confi ban dustshoot limited

Hate: Everything else

Monarchs will be so ridiculously overpowered Mof, 2 PoA, 2 NoC its so stupid ill go tomatos apprentice spys gg?

3 protectors and no ban of m-jar.... yah.....

Breaker/mof with a new apprentice card "crystal seer" come on now

metamorph banned but no sign of thousand eyes restrict...(can he be instant fusioned?)

1 smashing, i guess its amazing in gadgets and thats mainly japan but still

1 disk commander, ??? its easily search able and can be dead draw i guess wit mal at 2 its like a better choice and with PoA with fear monger abuse but still :P

2x jinzo, meh i guess its fine wit raiza which i did not see get touched

3 deck dev - i cant say i hate it but i dont like it

This format goin be so bad
Decks that will be much better this format

Monarchs - duh
Machines - still goin be good wit extra jinzo -2 troopers
Macro - 1 brain no snatch meaning the survivors r not goin any where soon
Phoenix - ok the deck not goin be good like usual but it did get better
Return - 3 d.d assailant goin help a lot
Decks that will fail
Tech: Anything using different cards Ledgendary jujitsu and such r goin to not be that good
so much more

I dont like this list and i never will

[Lightside1]

I hope that are card list has some of the same things...To tell you the truth one card I wish was back is Chaos Sorcerer (javascript:DisplayCard('/includes/viewcard.aspx?cid=460767')) lol but just at one...I think it's better then two Jinzo's.I want NoC at two just because of all flip effects(Dekoichi (http://www.duelyugioh.com/db/search_result_card.asp?id=4728),Crystal Seer ,Spys,Old Vindictive ,MOF etc....)I hope to see many different decks played this year and if Chaos Sorcerer (javascript:DisplayCard('/includes/viewcard.aspx?cid=460767')) was back I'm sure I would

[Soulking518]

just read over everything lol
Now when i get back i have a feeling that this thread is gonna be gone or filled with replies :D
Friday (today)- Leaving
Sat- Gone
Sun night - Returning
Thread will be at ... 120-150 posts :D

[DuskTruesdale]

I'm not liking the new list, if it's even real.

2x Jinzo is aight.

1x Card Trooper, I'm extremely happy to know this is limited to one. So damn tired of seeing everyone run this lame card.

No Ring of Destruction is bad, really helped win matches when you needed to.

MoF and Breaker coming back is bad, just bad.

Rumors were goin around at my local tournaments was that, yes Breaker and MoF were coming back, but D-Draw was going to be limited, Malicious as well. Glad to know D-Draw didn't make it to the list. Also glad to see that none of the Crystal Beast cards were put on the list.

[masterwoo0]

It's good to remember that Japan has very different restrictions to cards as we do. This is because they have more booster packs that have already come out such as Jaden 3 and premium cards. Nobleman of crossout and Breaker the Magical Warrior should stay as they were in the list.
Other than the cards we obviously don't have, what do they have on their list that is different than ours was this past Ban List???

[Roxas]

Other than the cards we obviously don't have, what do they have on their list that is different than ours was this past Ban List???Yea, woo0 is right. And if that is the case, then this is our list, just not yet official.

[DarkLord32]

ok i just wish they would have done something with monarchs because i want to see new cc decks!

[RACECARbakword]

YESSSSSSSS RING IS OUT of here whoooooooooooooooooo. Breaker is un restricted and magician of faith. crazy. card trooper i like. brain control, its about time right? dang. disk commander to 1, why god why. such a good card. malicious to 2. oh noes. gonna screw up some people i know. NoC to 2. haha yes. i run shield crush and NoC, but now its 2 Noc. DDV unrestricted. wow. thats a little too much. fissure to 1. haha damn. and so is smashing ground.

[KittyLitter]

Yay Brain Control!
Yay Snatch Steal!
Yay Megamorph!
Yay Crossout!
Yay...Snipe Hunter???
Erm...why Snipe Hunter?

Also, does anyone know where I can find a full forbidden/limited ocg list? I'm wondering if Marshmallon or Shield Crsuh have hit it yet.

EDIT: Yay Good Goblin Housekeeping! Call me crazy, but I think this will be a sleeper hit.

[KhaoZ]

Not as bad as it could of bin. I wish the Monarchs could have hit the list, and still a little on the edge about 2 Jinzo, but w/e, got a few good ideas about decks...

[Tony J.]

This format could actually be skillful. I like this list a lot. The only things I see wrong with it is the following:

1. Trap Dustshoot at 1 and Confiscation banned makes Mind Crush almost useless. Mind Crush should have been at least semi-restricted.

2. Metamorphosis' banning doesn't make much sense. A restriction to one would've been better in my opinion. Especially since Malicious is at 2 and TER is still banned.

I don't understand why The Transmigration Prophecy is at one...maybe it's an OCG thing.

I also have to question bringing back Breaker back. It seems like a really "iffy" choice to me.

[channel_v93]

We're getting the same list maybe 1-2 cards off but Konami wants a Global list so IMO that's what we're getting.

Personally I love it very much , bad players will complain good players will love it.

[KittyLitter]

I like the choice to bring breaker back, and I feel this list does alot to weaken monarch decks, without completely crippling the archetype. A couple examples:

1. Snatch is banned and Brain Control is cut to one. It is now much harder to find tribute fodder for monarch players
2. Nobleman at 2, plus at least one shield crush (i'm assuming). Most monarch tributes will be face-down gravekeeper's servants, searchers, or some other defense dude. In this upcoming format, defense dudes won't last very long. Treeborn frog is one of the only engines left for monarch players. With gemini summoners now in the mix, I see alot of mother grizzlies being played in the near future.

[channel_v93]

I like the choice to bring breaker back, and I feel this list does alot to weaken monarch decks, without completely crippling the archetype. A couple examples:

1. Snatch is banned and Brain Control is cut to one. It is now much harder to find tribute fodder for monarch players
2. Nobleman at 2, plus at least one shield crush (i'm assuming). Most monarch tributes will be face-down gravekeeper's servants, searchers, or some other defense dude. In this upcoming format, defense dudes won't last very long. Treeborn frog is one of the only engines left for monarch players. With gemini summoners now in the mix, I see alot of mother grizzlies being played in the near future.

Who in their right mind would tribute a face down searcher for Monarch, good players will use Brain Control or Tribute a Floater.

[Blackbelial]

Card Trooper, smashing ground, fissure, trapdust shoot and brain control limited is f* awesome!!!
Confiscation, ring, snatch and meta banned - extremly interesting !!
Royal decree and jinzo at 2 - I dont get it...
for those of you who believes in monarch give the welcome to a revive soul exchange!
or a couple of spell striker can assist you providing tribut fodder!
magician of faith - boring! too much advantage!
2 pots - crazy addition to a deck!!

They should leave magician of faith banned to keep the game interesting!

[gino_gallizzi]

well for all of the people wondering why gadgets are touched is because gadgets are the biggest deck tier in the ocg and like i mentioned before wat ever deck comes out on top in the world championship will be touched which was the gadgets...but i still say the apprentice engine could be great or a bust only because of the nobleman crossout at 2 and the release of shield crush in the tcg so i still say the zombies might come out on top imo but the downfall of zombies are that they are easy to side..well with brain controll at 1 their is still soul exchange but without 3 brain controll's it slows the monarchs a lot and with only one trooper its going to be a lot harder to dump the frog...but i actually think 2 pot of avarice is good because with only one trooper its going to be hard to be just using on pot so this is were magical merchant comes out big in this meta with no doubt..but im anxious to see wat is going to be the top deck tier this year especially since the perfect circle and d-hero beatdow is basically gone with disc commander is limited and malicious is semi so i would love to hear wat everyone thinks wat deck tier will be at the top

[p_p]

Ring, Morph and Snatch banned: My wish come true!

Brain Control at 1: Knew it! But still not enough to weaken Monarchs.

Trooper at 1: Yay! No more Troop-Dup!

Dustshoot: Mind Crush is also limited to 1 but oh well

Breaker is back: Oh great.. more s/t removal for my Macro cosmos to deal with

Semi-avarice: Meh..

Malicious at 2: Now DDT is weakened as well. Less fodder for Monster Gate.

[gino_gallizzi]

well p_p the topic creator had a typo and forgot to put the fissure and fissure is also limited

[p_p]

well p_p the topic creator had a typo and forgot to put the fissure and fissure is also limited
Oh, my bad.. in that case it doesn't really make a difference, you can still run 1 Fissure and 1 Smashing Ground instead of 2 Smashing Ground (which I've seen a lot). :p

[gino_gallizzi]

ya that is true lol so im still curious wat deck tier do you think will come out in top imo i say either apprentice engine or the new zombie decks

[Hell_Kaizer]

I hope and pray that for once our banlist isn't the same as japans...

I don't wanna run a single smashing per deck. I just don't wanna. lol.

[Blackbelial]

I hope and pray that for once our banlist isn't the same as japans...

I don't wanna run a single smashing per deck. I just don't wanna. lol.

Like someone said before and as consequence of the globalization the list will be probably the same.

Finally a banlist to put the people to think!

Welcome back Demise!!! jajajajaja

[Dr. StRaNj]

All im saying is fifth hope for the win, universal draw power rocks, and Demise is still alive. Allright giggty giggity goo

[gino_gallizzi]

deck tier's that might me dead because of this list
-ddt(with no doubt was hurting but know malicious at 2 ehh)
-troop dup and scoop(100% gone)
-gadgets(are going to hurt but still can be succesful with mixing in different deck tier's maybe)
-perfect circle(gone because of malicious at 2 but i wouldnt say its going to be extinct)
-t-hero(like mentioned this deck is really hurt with d-commander at 1 but its not going to be extinct)
-big city(i really think this deck has been lest used but its not that hurt except for the fact of dustshoot but again this deck is still extremely playable in some areas)

these deck tier's might have gotten stronger imo
-apprentice magician(with no doubt this deck tier is proably going to get the most talk and deserves it)
-zombie decks(extremely fast and imo proably the most fastest deck tier so far in the meta if this list follows..downfall is its easy to side)
-demise(yes it has been less played but its untouched and could make a spark for a while)
-machine beatdown(proably going to be the most reliable deck tier especially since limiter is still playable but can this deck tier do good with out trooper???)

deck tier's that just slowed down
-monarchs(yes they are still good but just slowed down a bit and the question is if the limited brain controols and banned snatch will hurt the deck tier and imo the answer is no it will just make monarch users run 3 soul exchanges but again it will slow the deck a lot imo)

[ygofan]

This is the worst list yet Konami must really be trying to make this a kids game.

[Hellhound]

Let me first say this: I hate this list. Most of the choices for restriction are just plain idiotic.

Also, looking over the list, there seems to be some discrepancies. First of all, there is no proof that this is the real thing. No scans of the mag, official sources, nothing. If you remember, the same thing happened last around the last ban list. Yeah, the "Official List" that put Night Assailant at 2 and left Snipe Hunter unrestricted.

Second of all, some of the text is messed up. The cards are all out of order, whereas normally everything is listed Monster, Spell, Trap and then in alphabetical order. Also, Metamorphosis is listed as a Trap.

Something smells fishy here. I don't buy this at all till I get REAL proof.

This is the worst list yet Konami must really be trying to make this a kids game.
Amen to that.

EDIT: Meta is listed correctly on manjyomethunder. But still...

[gino_gallizzi]

well i actually think its a bad list if own 3 troopers :) lol good thing i waited until september lol but now i will be stuck buying il bluds(going for 70 buck :(..actually the link is from shrink and the list has already been finalized for the ocg and the lists are always the same in the tcg but if you thin its fake its your opinion

[KittyLitter]

Demise is a nice choice that alot of people will probably revert back to in a somewhat undefined metagame. However, the OTK potential has definitely taken a beating (metamorph banned and megamorph limited). With the slower format formed as a result of this, I sincerely believe reptiles may actually have potential now. Also, be on the watch for Exodia.

[Hellhound]

well i actually think its a bad list if own 3 troopers :) lol good thing i waited until september lol but now i will be stuck buying il bluds(going for 70 buck :(..actually the link is from shrink and the list has already been finalized for the ocg and the lists are always the same in the tcg but if you thin its fake its your opinion
Are you 100% certain it's real? Do you have a subscription to V-Jump?

I own 2 complete sets of Troopers. Yeah, I'm a little angry about its restriction.

I want me some Il Bluds, too.

[Blackbelial]

This is the worst list yet Konami must really be trying to make this a kids game.

It looks like you invest $180.00 getting 3 troopers, right?

*^&^ happens!

[gino_gallizzi]

very true kitty litter i also think demise can make a spark but like said including no metamorphis whis takes out the cyber twin dragon and megamorph..but exodia imo will always have a chance but never will win a sjc imo..but hellbound i know how you fell but maybe you can trade some troopers for il bluds but that does suck lol 180 bucks ouchh

[Roxas]

Seeing how there is a high chance that this will be our list, I have taken the liberty of editing the original post to look more "Sophisticated" as well as sticking this up for discussing purposes.

If indeed there are any dramatic changes to the list,it will be edited.

[Hellhound]

very true kitty litter i also think demise can make a spark but like said including no metamorphis whis takes out the cyber twin dragon and megamorph..but exodia imo will always have a chance but never will win a sjc imo..but hellbound i know how you fell but maybe you can trade some troopers for il bluds but that does suck lol 180 bucks ouchh
I pulled mine. I didn't spend nearly that much.

Have you come up with any definite proof that this list is real?

[MechManiac]

Nobleman at two and Shield Crush at three?!?!!?!?!?!?!!? Defense monsters don't have a chance. I'm glad to see Snatch and Metamorphosis are gone and that Brain Control is at one copy. I don't think this is the really list though, why would they semi-limit Gadgets? They're aren't really played anymore and the ones that won SJC usually only had a set of two. Also, why semi limit Royal Decree and semi limit Jinzo when Jinzo is more powerful? That doesn't really make sense. Also, why did they limit Wall of Revealing Light and The Transmigration Prophecy to 1 copy??? Niether of them are over-powered in any sort of way and are barely played at all, in the US that is. Maybe in Japan they're more powerful?

[Roxas]

Nobleman at two and Shield Crush at three?!?!!?!?!?!?!!? Defense monsters don't have a chance. I'm glad to see Snatch and Metamorphosis are gone and that Brain Control is at one copy. I don't think this is the really list though, why would they semi-limit Gadgets? They're aren't really played anymore and the ones that won SJC usually only had a set of two. Also, why semi limit Royal Decree and semi limit Jinzo when Jinzo is more powerful? That doesn't really make sense. Also, why did they limit Wall of Revealing Light and The Transmigration Prophecy to 1 copy??? Niether of them are over-powered in any sort of way and are barely played at all, in the US that is. Maybe in Japan they're more powerful?Once Shield Crush and Marshmallon are out for the public, then I think UDE will hit them with teh Ban. There is absolutely no way that Marshmallon and Shield Crush will be running wild at 3 a piece.

Prediction:

Marshmallon - Restricted to 1
Shield Crush - Semi-Limited to 2.

[gino_gallizzi]

oo and dont forget to put marshmallon at 1 because since marshmallon is already touched in the ocg it wont be included but will be in the tcg..well hellbound this might sound dumb but shriek has never gave false info before they are always accurate so i guess you can say its a personal opinion and this list has been released to the public already in the ocg and it could be the first time ever but i doubt that the tcg will change the list they always stay the same

[MechManiac]

I have another thing to add: Why did they limit to 1 Smashing Ground and Fissure along with semi-limited Gadgets? Are Gadgets really that powerful? Limiting Fissure to one copy, wtf? But Lightning Vortex is at three.

[Hellhound]

If you remember, the same thing happened last around the last ban list. Yeah, the "Official List" that put Night Assailant at 2 and left Snipe Hunter unrestricted.
Yes, they have. SHRIEK HAS POSTED FALSE INFO BEFORE!!!!

[KittyLitter]

Just a Heads-up: The list has Protector of the Sanctuary at both 3 and 1. Its name has got to be removed from the limited list.

[gino_gallizzi]

well hellbound the only reason why i believe the list is because the list is already released in the ocg..but the reason why gadgets were touched was because again wat deck tier came out on top in the world championship and gadgets are the biggest deck tier in the ocg and thats were the smashing and fissure come in play but i would expect shrink to be limited over fissure

[orlando001]

This list has to be mistaken. Jinzo at 2 doesn't make any sense, and neither restricting Fissure and Smashing Ground to 1 each, as well as Nobleman getting boosted to 2. It doesn't even reflect Shield Crush and Marshmellon. If Shield Crush is unrestricted and Nobleman at 2, any set monster won't have a chance. I kind of saw Snatch and Ring's banning coming, even though I FINALLY got a Ring 3 months ago. Don't put to much faith in this list. It's got to be a typo.

[gino_gallizzi]

well remeber this marshallon has already been limited in the ocg list and this is a ocg list so marshmallon is not new to the ocg

[masterwoo0]

This list has to be mistaken. Jinzo at 2 doesn't make any sense, and neither restricting Fissure and Smashing Ground to 1 each, as well as Nobleman getting boosted to 2. It doesn't even reflect Shield Crush and Marshmellon. If Shield Crush is unrestricted and Nobleman at 2, any set monster won't have a chance. I kind of saw Snatch and Ring's banning coming, even though I FINALLY got a Ring 3 months ago. Don't put to much faith in this list. It's got to be a typo.Why would the OCG List, that ALREADY has Marshmallon and Shield Crush Limited to one per Deck, re-list them as "newly limited" cards when they are there already?? Folks, this is the OCG LIST!!!!

If you are going to play this game, you are going to have to get used to looking at more than one list (meaning OCG and TCG) each year to know what is restricted.

[gino_gallizzi]

very true masterwoo thats basically wat i have been trying to say for the past 10 posts lol thanks

[Hellhound]

well hellbound the only reason why i believe the list is because the list is already released in the ocg..but the reason why gadgets were touched was because again wat deck tier came out on top in the world championship and gadgets are the biggest deck tier in the ocg and thats were the smashing and fissure come in play but i would expect shrink to be limited over fissure
I know that the OCG and TCG lists coincide. That isn't what I'm saying. I want concrete proof that this is the OCG list.

[mmm...cheese]

This makes machines and Demise competely broken. I mean do you seriously think limiting Trap Dustshoot to 1 can be good for the metagame? This would make the metagame like that of MTG. Either run Deck A or the deck that counters Deck A but sucks against everything else.

[chicken_master]

we still have the sideboard stuff against demise, but just not enough if this list is real. demise will spark its ugly head at the madison reginals (sept. 1st if u didnt know) if this is the correct list

[masterwoo0]

I know that the OCG and TCG lists coincide. That isn't what I'm saying. I want concrete proof that this is the OCG list.
Now you begin to see why in the past, all Threads that had anything to do with discussing the Ban List were locked.

Even when a List comes out, its still disputed because you will NEVER satisfy everyone, and there will inevitably be someone who is still trying to spend a gazillion dollars trying to put a Deck together only to find out they've wasted money on (wait for it....) Magical Stone Excavation, or Card Trooper, or Magician of Faith Super Rare, etc...

If we all had the patience to wait, which none of us do, we wouldnt have to keep disputing List after List until Konami or UDE sees fit to present it to us. And even if this list IS proven false, what then??? No one will be any happier with the one that is Official.

This is the way things go. You're either happy to get it when it comes, or complain until you're blue in the face.

[Hellhound]

Yeah. Trap Dustshoot at 1 wasn't a good decision. Nor were any of the restrictions. Nor the semis. I like that DDA and GGH are at 3, and that they banned Ring, Snatch, and Confi, but everything else I hate.

THERE'S SCANS NOW! I AM FILLED WITH AN INSANE RAGE!!1!!

[I_R_Grammar]

This is a crap list. How stupid can these people be??!??!!

First off, I can understand Snatch and RoD, maybe even conf. But not metamorphosis. Limited at best.

MoF sure [bye bye MSE], BREAKER????!!!??! Disk Commander is fine... Trooper just for overuse, Dupe is better.

Megamorph no one cares about, snipe for overuse... Brain Control, as much as I love it, definitely deserves this. Dustshoot should be in 2s... Smashing and Fissure? Why? Can you say "Face-up Invincibility?"

Trans, meh. Wall, Don't care.

Jinzo. No way. There is no way that happens. If Imperial Order is banned, how does Jinzo get to where it is?

PoA, who cares. Nobleman of XC shouldn't be semi'd...

Malicious + Gadgets, fine... Decree, fine.

Congrats Konami. You just killed about 8 deck types, and not one of them are monarchs!

[Marzbar]

OMG two Jinzos!

I am salivating at the thought. :)

2 Decree is just wierd.
2 Brain Control is great news.
Banning Snatch, Ring and Confiscation is all fine with me.
2 of each Gadget is just wierd.
3 Good Goblin House Keeping is great news.

Card Trooper limited! HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
Sucked in CC users. I never even bothered to get one of these stupid cards.

Transmigration Prophecy is a little sad to see limited. Trap Dustshoot perhaps doesn't deserve that fate either.

3 DD Virus is a little scary.
2 Avarice is also a little scary.

Breaker and MoF back is good news.

Overall, I like it.

CC takes a hit.

[Blowback Blade]

Sorry...it's 1 Brain dude.

I'm a Zombie Duelist so I'm happy =3

Trooper's ugly face is gone so now I don't have T-Anything going against me.

Brain limited doesn't hit me at all. Hits Monarchs badly, mainly those decks that where 10-12 gauge ones...they needed Soul Exchange and Brain.

MoF back and Breaker back are meh and yey in a way.

I'm slightly saddened by Ring's leave but...it's life, just need to go through.

No I believe will have 3 Deck Devs in a deck...2 is enough in my opinion =P

2 Avarices? Well...1 is enough for me since I don't like mosnters always out of grave..I only use my Avarice if I can't seem to draw anything or I have to many monsters in grave.

2 Jinzos...fun..just fun =3 Siding or Main Decking, traps are losing power.
So...slightly bad.

2 Gadgets?...odd. Who cares!

2 Decrees...won't matter with 2 Jinzo XD

Ya...that's my opinion on this.

[p_p]

I just wish that they brought back Tsukuyomi the Monarch Killer instead of MoF, Retriever of Spells that we Don't Need. I mean Graceful still is banned..

As for 2 Jinzo, it would hardly make a difference. I mean, instead of 2 Decrees and 1 Jinzo, people might run 2 Jinzo and 1 Decree... meh

[Amazing0TK]

wow this list is good but out of all the cards to ban they ban ring and leave in mirror force

[Hydrogeddon]

the reason they banned ring because two rings(yours and your opponents) in the same game cuts half your lifepoints away

[CodyBryant]

Why do people think Monarchs got better? Brain at one, Snatch banned, they got hurt.

[Dr. StRaNj]

Monarchs live, demise lives, machines thrive, zombies thrive, fifth hope on an even playing field (sick imo), neo/tempo gadgets, exodia(?????),and t-hero with a twist?

Thats about all i can think of for the new format besides new universal draw engines and the banning of broken end game cards. Ladies and gents lets sit back and watch one of the most interesting formats develope.

[WillyD]

No, i would not say so, first of all, getting your monarch snatched or brained was bad for you but its even worst if they get their combo on you, therefore, monarch decks got better. They still got soul exchange, no problem, its just slower, but i think it'd feel just a tiny bit worst, but almost doesnt make a difference. This lists good, but metamorphosis banned -_-, at least one sir! I wanted to play fusion deck pop ^^. Mostly, everybody got what they majorly wanted, and card trooper, its not all bad, just kills some decks like ddt pretty good as well as T-hero, at least its not as bad banning it, i dont find 1 broken, and even with 3 its not the broken stuff ever, it may have became another sangan +1 effect, just at one is still good. Jinzo at two, man, this is ridiculous, we always had jinzo at 1, ...., its not broken all the time but i find it very very stupid to put it to 2, it can ruin games... and searchers have become a little more better, so no problem running 2 tomatos or 2 rats no big deal, 1 smashing and 1 brain, the odds of that? In place of those 2 banned brain control slots, its probably 1 brain, 1 smash, 1 swap or 1 brain 1 smash 1 vortex or maybe 1 brain 2 vortex:confused: OR 1 Brain 2 Econs, damnit so many spell lineups in terms of something to do with creatures....

[eggsaladforce]

i love the whole list even though im surprised at the limitting of malacius every thing else is great brain at 1 is the reason they didnt touch any monarchs, and tooper at 1 stops trooper dup perfect, and they bring back broken of faith oops i ment magician of faith and put nobleman to 2 perfect. i love breaker glad hes back esecialy with the poularity RFG decks are gonna get. 2 averice 3 upstart goblin and 3 protector of the sactuary are probly the most interesting changs in this list and will open alot of deck for this format

[Jinzo34420]

The list In my Mind Is great because Alot of the cards ban Semi and at one I dont use most of them. Ring I used but I see why its ban. You kill one monarch thats 2400. Then your oppt Rings a Monarch Thats 4800. Snatch and steal I see why Your oppt Gains 1000 life points per turn Common how many times now a days to they get that Its mostly for tribs I never liked Card trooper I had three and trade 3 away. Brain At 1 I can live with that so what you can still draw just one NMoC At two is going to make up for brian Being at one now you can remove up to six monsters. Jinzo At two I still cant really see many people using Jinzo in twos I have 3 of them and Need one for three of my decks not 2 for one . Also I dont see whats so great about Good Goblin And Protector I think they suck but that is my Voice How many times do people in tournys Draw More than one card? I dont see it much but other people might. Anyways If this is what the list is going to be Which Us Americans and Canadians Follow the japanese list most of the times I give it an 8.5/10 Its a pretty good list. Thats my two sences :) thanks for reading.

[xxxxx035]

i agree, this list is pretty good becuz for 1, ring and snatch is gone becus they caused too many game ending blows....but they should of had poc gone after graceful was banned becuz it was a waste of space on the list..i am personally happy that braker and mof is back on the restricted list and for jinzo i think that that was kinda foolish..i saw card trooper comin (troop dood combo)..i can really see that spellcaster decks are comin bac with seer in the game and breaker and mof back...so thats my opinion.. i give the list a 4/5...

[KittyLitter]

Okay, 2 problems:

1. Why is everyone crying "Demise" now that trap dustshoot is gone? It is still quite a powerful archetype, but one that can be handled to a certain degree without dustshoot. Metamorphosis is gone, and megamorph is at 2. The OTK potential has been drastically messed with. Plus, we've still got Solemn Judgment, Pulling the Rug, and Mind Crush. Demise isn't THAT big of an issue. Why the fuss?

2. Does anyone else see a problem with upping the jinzo count to 2, while simutaneously axing practically every mainstream solution to him hitting the field? How do we solve the jinzo problem? Tribute to the doomed?!

[Jinzo34420]

I see no problem with jinzo at 2 and trap dust shoot at one is good better Because Better Exodia decks and better meta games.

[.sXe]

Okay, now if this is correct malicious is pretty close to being useless

[Jinzo34420]

I really dont know about alot of people But Trooper and Maliciuous are really both worthless. I dont want to sound like super pro here but any deck can really beat any deck any time.

[WillyD]

Monarchs live, demise lives, machines thrive, zombies thrive, fifth hope on an even playing field (sick imo), neo/tempo gadgets, exodia(?????),and t-hero with a twist?

Lol, T-heros are a little slower bcuz of card trooper to one and malicious to 2, but morph? Just ain't the same now

Thats about all i can think of for the new format besides new universal draw engines and the banning of broken end game cards. Ladies and gents lets sit back and watch one of the most interesting formats develope.

And this format is really going to have us play much more harder and sophisticated. Anyways, nothing happened to shield crush and marshmallon, 3 shield crush hurts alot =l, so apprentice engine, careful about what you do:D, and we might have cards that can be annoying still like shield crush and 3 marshmallons....with 1 smashing... but at least we cheap buyers will have to run 2 noblemans

KittyLitter- Demise is almost dead with one megamorph at one, its not going to do much, which you really dont give a fuss about, so everyone, Demise is going to be easy now, no 5600 attackers no more lol and T-hero is like i said going to become scrap and slow with card trooper to 1. Zombies are going to take demises place, and macro decks or sided macro will counter it.This list is gonna be really something where everyone is going to netdeck as less, with changes probably and most anticipated list eVAR!!

[SixSamurai_Irou]

Truthfuly im glad to see tropper bite the dust sort of, He was truly over rated. However i am made about the restriction of Smashing ground and fissure. I also Dislike allowing 2 jinzos, but i guess its not to bad since only a few copies exist in kauai. Im glad to see magician of faith and breaker back, but i am kinda sad to see ring and snatch seal go. I really enjoyed playing with them again.

Ps. Can someone please pm me on how to make a signature i cant figure out how.

[Rurikarakusa]

Wow. There are a ton of things here I didn't see coming. I had a feeling that Snatch and Ring would get banned again, but I never thought I'd see the day that Jinzo became semi-limited. Fissure and Smashing Ground becoming limited is an awesome move to make games last longer, but I foresee trouble with Reaper and Marshmellon causing too much stall with the lack of monster removal. Breaker's back off, but then again, it should never have been on in the first place. D.D. Assailant back at three makes me very happy, as does unlimited DDV.

This will be an interesting format.

[the_gambler9]

WTF?!
Fissure limited?!
Ciome on!

[yo shorty b]

Hmm, whoever said apprentice engine is good now is gonna be wrong, 3 sheild crush 2 NOC+apprentice sucks, also GK's engine is gonna have difficulty...

Seer is gonna go down in value, and I feel that the tomsato engine will be HUGE in this format, with dony z's and stuff, I'm gonna run A begone knave deck, and a D. Fissure Monarchs...

BTW, My pro gadget deck =dead... :(

also, hydros, with shrinks and rush reclessly are gonna be big... that is gonna be anti meta against those tomatoes...

[Dark Zane]

Link: http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/4173678/ (http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/4173678/)

I. Forbidden Cards

You cannot use these cards in your Deck or Side Deck:

BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING
BUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMA
CHANGE OF HEART
CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE END
CHAOS SORCERER
CONFISCATION
CYBER JAR
CYBER-STEIN
DARK HOLE
DELINQUENT DUO
EXCHANGE OF THE SPIRIT
FIBER JAR
GRACEFUL CHARITY
HARPIE'S FEATHER DUSTER
IMPERIAL ORDER
LAST TURN
LAST WILL
MAGICAL SCIENTIST
MAKYURA THE DESTRUCTOR
METAMORPHOSIS
MIRAGE OF NIGHTMARE
MONSTER REBORN
PAINFUL CHOICE
POT OF GREED
RAIGEKI
RING OF DESTRUCTION
SINISTER SERPENT
SNATCH STEAL
THE FORCEFUL SENTRY
THOUSAND-EYES RESTRICT
TIME SEAL
TRIBE-INFECTING VIRUS
TSUKUYOMI
VICTORY DRAGON
WITCH OF THE BLACK FOREST
YATA-GARASU

NEW! - Confiscation, Snatch Steal, Ring of Destruction, Metamorphosis

II. Limited Cards

You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:

BOOK OF MOON
BRAIN CONTROL
BREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIOR
CALL OF THE HAUNTED
CARD DESTRUCTION
CARD TROOPER
CEASEFIRE
CHAIN STRIKE
CRUSH CARD VIRUS
D. D. WARRIOR LADY
DESTINY HERO DISK COMMANDER
DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS
DEFENDER OF THE FOREST, GREEN BABOON
DIMENSION FUSION
ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS
EXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONE
FISSURE
FUTURE FUSION
GIANT TRUNADE
GRAVITY BIND
HEAVY STORM
LEFT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
LEFT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
LEVEL LIMIT - AREA B
LIMITER REMOVAL
MAGE POWER
MAGIC CYLINDER
MAGICAL STONE EXCAVATION
MAGICIAN OF FAITH
MEGAMORPH
MIND CRUSH
MIRROR FORCE
MORPHING JAR
MYSTICAL SPACE TYPHOON
NEO-SPACIAN GRAND MOLE
NIGHT ASSAILANT
OVERLOAD FUSION
PREMATURE BURIAL
PROTECTOR OF THE SANCTUARY
RIGHT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
RIGHT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
SANGAN
SCAPEGOAT
SMASHING GROUND
SPIRIT REAPER
SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT
THE TRANSMIGRATION PROPHECY
TORRENTIAL TRIBUTE
TRAP DUSTSHOOT
TREEBORN FROG
TWIN-HEADED BEHEMOTH
ULTIMATE OFFERING
UNITED WE STAND
WALL OF REVEALING LIGHT

NEW! - Brain Control, Breaker the Magical Warrior, Card Trooper, Destiny Hero Disk Commander, Fissure, Magician of Faith, Megamorph, Smashing Ground, The Transmigration Prophecy, Trap Dustshoot, Wall of Revealing Light

III. Semi-Limited Cards

You can ONLY use two of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:

APPRENTICE MAGICIAN
CREATURE SWAP
DESTINY HERO MALICIOUS
GREEN GADGET
JINZO
MANTICORE OF DARKNESS
MASK OF DARKNESS
NOBLEMAN OF CROSSOUT
POT OF AVARICE
RECKLESS GREED
RED GADGET
REINFORCEMENT OF THE ARMY
ROYAL DECREE
YELLOW GADGET

NEW! - Destiny Hero Malicious, Green Gadget, Jinzo, Nobleman of Crossout, Pot of Avarice, Red Gadget, Royal Decree, Yellow Gadget

NEW!- The following cards are no longer Limited:

D.D. Assailant, Deck Devastation Virus, Good Goblin Housekeeping, Protector of the Sanctuary
I am pretty sure that Marshmallon is restricted to 1. And the same thing with Shield Crush.

[CyberEndDragon]

I love the list. You will need skill now if you want to win, not a late game Snatch Steal. Monarchs player will have to use there head if they want there Monarchs to be as good as the previous format(Soul Exchange is still at 3...).

The only thing I don't like is Jinzo at 2. Why?

[masterwoo0]

I am pretty sure that Marshmallon is restricted to 1. And the same thing with Shield Crush.
Did you create this list on your own from the info provided by Shriek?? If so, it's best to only post the ACCURATE information from the List. You should not assume that everything is there, as this is not the Official TCG List, it is the OCG LIST and you are missing a number of cards, like

The Sixth Sense

If that off the Banned List now??? In the future, just post what is relevant. You didn't even move Protector of the Sanctuary from the Limited List.....

[D.Knight Sevus]

I am pretty sure that Marshmallon is restricted to 1. And the same thing with Shield Crush.

Marshmallon is limited in the OCG, while Shield Crush is not, and probably won't be unless every deck in the 2008 World Championships runs 3.

I actually understand this list after reading Baron's article over it, and agree with most of the changes. There are a few things I'm going "eh..." about, like semi-ing Jinzo and Decree, but most everything looks right.

Demise is still out there, but at least it isn't an OTK anymore. I'm actually excpecting the Earth varients to show up more now that the Demise + Dozer + Morph combo is more or less dead.

Magician of Faith, while broken, is actually fairly easily countered, as we have 5 cards that eliminate face-down defense monsters with no cost. Breaker I'm fairly sure deserves his place on the Limited list over Forbidden, as he's not terribly broken in my mind. Powerful, yes, but not Snatch/Ring/Confiscation powerful.

It's a decent list, and while I don't like all of it, at least it's not one of those "OMG!!! This will totally kill the game!" lists. That's my 2 cents.

[anduril38]

gadgets arent broken over here; but still; it could be worse. atl wast not much sacking anymore

[gino_gallizzi]

well actually dude if we follow the ocg list we will be able to run 3 shield crush's...but im still curious why most people are saying monarchs came out big but remeber the monarchs themselves werent broken like said many times the broken part about monarchs were the support like brain controll,snatch,soul exchange..and with brain at 1 and snatch gone monarchs are extremely slow and with no foolish burial in the tcg and trooper limited that means its goping to be hard to dump the frog but i would expect people to run 2-3 mother grizzlies to get the frog out asap so i dont get why people are saying monarchs benefited from this list..but mentioned before yes the apprentice engine is going to be easily countered but if not countered good it can explode but like i said before with 2 nobleman xc that means that deck will be a bust or a must.but like mentioned to that the tomato engine will come out big and i agree with that so much and maybe zombie's but watch out for those tomatoes with don Z and maybe with 3 raizas in their for some nasty controll :)...and sorry but mentioned that someone said thanks konaimi/ude for killing 8 decks..isnt that good because know we can see people use their deck building skills???..ooo andanduril gadgets were about to have the chance of being broken especially with shield crush so it was a good decision by ude/konaimi

[Hellhound]

Monarchs decks don't need Frog to win, and this list has helped the decktype by hurting everything else. My new Monarch deck has won 3 out of the 4 games I've played with it so far, and the one I lost was playing against Crystal Beasts, who got Abundance and 4 Crystallized Beasts early on...

[MechManiac]

Can someone tell me why they limited The Transmigration Prophecy and Wall of Revealing Light?? The Transmigration Prophecy is actually an anti-meta card, and no one uses it so why would they limit it? Same with Wall of Revealing Light, no one uses it. Also why did they limit Fissure? Now the only good spell monster removal we have left is Hammer Shot. Also, why would they limit Smashing and Fissure, but they didn't even touch Lightning Vortex?

[gino_gallizzi]

well mechmaniac they touched fiisure and smashing because of the popularity in the 5th gadgets in the ocg and also coming up in the tcg...and hellbound the only reason why i say that the monarchs got effected was because they are a lot slower unless you run DD monarchs..but most monarch decks use the frog and try to dump the frog asap(thats why trooper became so popular in monarch decks)..but their are very good deck types that can kill monarchs(tomato engine with totall controll with don Z and running raiza imo)but then the new zombie decks just wrap circles around traditional monarchs(the only monarch deck that would kill the new super fast zombies are again DD monarchs) but as of know i feel zombies are the fastest decks as of today but i do feel like many people do that the tomato engine will come out on top in this meta

[Jinzo34420]

what is so wrong with Jinzo At 2 I just dont see why? someone let me know.

[yo shorty b]

I am pretty sure that jinzo will be a problem in the new format, bevause 1 smash and 1 fissure, I think the new removal agant is gonna be Lightening vortex.

[Zaborg_da_Lame]

I disagree with this entire list and i do not think our list will be anything like this as for one thing gadgets havent nearly made an impact on the game and i dont think they are going to even with shield crush. Putting Jinzo at 2 will almost replace the fact that card trooper is at 1 in most beatdown decks. Also putting jinzo at 2 is stupid if they are getting rid of snatch and brain

[Hellhound]

well mechmaniac they touched fiisure and smashing because of the popularity in the 5th gadgets in the ocg and also coming up in the tcg...and hellbound the only reason why i say that the monarchs got effected was because they are a lot slower unless you run DD monarchs..but most monarch decks use the frog and try to dump the frog asap(thats why trooper became so popular in monarch decks)..but their are very good deck types that can kill monarchs(tomato engine with totall controll with don Z and running raiza imo)but then the new zombie decks just wrap circles around traditional monarchs(the only monarch deck that would kill the new super fast zombies are again DD monarchs) but as of know i feel zombies are the fastest decks as of today but i do feel like many people do that the tomato engine will come out on top in this meta
Side Banishers/Dimensional Fissures/Shotguns. Zombie problem solved. Tomato Control can't touch a good Monarch deck. Not anymore. Yes, Monarchs have slowed down, but so has pretty much everything else. Zombies needed Trooper to dump things in the graveyard for Zombie Master/Il Blud/Book of Life. Trooper's restriction has slowed them down a lot.

And let me say this again, since I've been playing Apprentice Monarchs ever since the TAEV sneak peek:

MONARCHS CAN SURVIVE WITHOUT EVER EVEN DRAWING THE FROG!!!!!!!!!!! IT ISN'T THAT DIFFICULT!

Btw, the name's Hellhound, with an H.

[enrise_rocks]

this list is horrible!!! it sucks how can anyone like this?

[Hellhound]

this list is horrible!!! it sucks how can anyone like this?
While I certainly don't like it, it isn't horrible. It has redeeming qualities, such as Snatch, Ring, and Confi being banned, the return of MoF and Breaker, as well as DDA going to three.

I just don't like pretty much everything else. Two Jinzos will be fun for a while, though.

[enrise_rocks]

While I certainly don't like it, it isn't horrible. It has redeeming qualities, such as Snatch, Ring, and Confi being banned, the return of MoF and Breaker, as well as DDA going to three.

I just don't like pretty much everything else. Two Jinzos will be fun for a while, though.

but could you imagine people using 2 jinzos? you might find it fun but it will get increadably anoying aswell. and why would they let us use 2 metas then ban it ?

[chicken_master]

Side Banishers/Dimensional Fissures/Shotguns. Zombie problem solved. Tomato Control can't touch a good Monarch deck. Not anymore. Yes, Monarchs have slowed down, but so has pretty much everything else. Zombies needed Trooper to dump things in the graveyard for Zombie Master/Il Blud/Book of Life. Trooper's restriction has slowed them down a lot.

And let me say this again, since I've been playing Apprentice Monarchs ever since the TAEV sneak peek:

MONARCHS CAN SURVIVE WITHOUT EVER EVEN DRAWING THE FROG!!!!!!!!!!! IT ISN'T THAT DIFFICULT!

Btw, the name's Hellhound, with an H.

zombies dont need trooper to be the fastest deck in the format. they have the mass special summon capabilities, even if you cant dump them with 3 troopers. i well built zombie deck in the hands of a good player should almost always take down a traditional monarch deck in the first game

[Slick007]

If this list is official....then I would have no idea what to run. Me personally like the list, but am pretty sure this isn't going to be exact. It will be close, but not exact. I mean come on Marshmallon or Shield Crush not touched???? Along with Crystal Seer...... Their are some flawls to this list.

[masterwoo0]

MONARCHS CAN SURVIVE WITHOUT EVER EVEN DRAWING THE FROG!!!!!!!!!!! IT ISN'T THAT DIFFICULT!

Btw, the name's Hellhound, with an H.
People still use Treeborn Frog??!!! lol

In my Monarch/Machine Hybrid, I don't use Treeborn, and I run 7 Monarchs. He's a good card, but there are still other ways to Tribute Summon.

If you've read the majority of this Thread, you'd know that this is the "OCG List", and cards on the OCG List dont constantly get put "back on" the List everytime a new one comes out. Marshmallon has already been limited, so why would they show it AGAIN on a list of newly Banned or Limited Cards???

As for Shield Crush.... life will go on.

[Dragonsquest]

Well they surely kill my deck with this bloody banned list. Now I have to find cards to replace dustshoot and confiscation. I know add one more drop off. Only thing is what will replace confiscation that card was the awsome. Loose 1000lp you get see there hand remove a card to the grave. Out of 40 cards I lost 5 cards in my deck that will need replacing. I got one in mind drop off for dust. I need something for ring snatch confi well smashing i guess fissure will have to do.

[Hellhound]

zombies dont need trooper to be the fastest deck in the format. they have the mass special summon capabilities, even if you cant dump them with 3 troopers. i well built zombie deck in the hands of a good player should almost always take down a traditional monarch deck in the first game
Maybe so, but the deck's summoning capabilities are extremely limited if it can't get monsters into the Graveyard. Trooper was the easiest way of doing that. Now, you have to draw into Turtle/Rat, and will most likely have to ram it into something, what with two Noblemans and Shiled Crush running about...

There's no doubt in my mind Zombies are now at least Tier 1.5, possibly even Tier 1, however, this list has hurt them just as much as it has hurt Monarchs. Zombies like Brain Control too, you know.

People still use Treeborn Frog??!!! lol

In my Monarch/Machine Hybrid, I don't use Treeborn, and I run 7 Monarchs. He's a good card, but there are still other ways to Tribute Summon.
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. Trooper was used in Monarchs mostly for the free draw.

but could you imagine people using 2 jinzos? you might find it fun but it will get increadably anoying aswell. and why would they let us use 2 metas then ban it ?
Jinzo won't make that big of an impact. He WILL, however, be very annoying to play against. Just another good target for Soul Exchange...

Metamorphosis was too good with Malicious, but they semied Malicious so I don't think that was the cause. It was probably its use in Demise that got it banned.

[Blowback Blade]

Alright folks. Here's the deal.

Zombies: Fast, true. Slowed Down by Trooper gone? Yes. Except for me...cause I set my deck to be moderately fast without Trooper =P

Pros: No Perfect Circle threats. Becomes Tier 1 or 2. Fastest Deck(Debatable)
Cons: Still easy to counter by DD. Monarchs still are alive, meaning if you don't pack Shrink and counters, Monarchs will most of the time kill you. Jinzo stops the Virus Power of Zombies. Trooper is gone. Breaker unbanned means more spell removal protecting them from Marco...somewhat. Protector stops Card of Safe Return.

I didn't treat losing Brain as a Con cause zombies have..guess what!? Call of the Mummy and can use Lighting Vortex more easily than most deck

Machines: Ah...they lost Trooper...poor poor machines...ya right. With Jinzo it won't matter if they only have 1 Trooper, basically they can just back up some spells and they're set.

Pros: Jinzo at 2. Smashing and Fissure down, mean Cyber Pheonix protects more =P. Perfect Circle gone(Ya..it's a plus for all)
Cons: Lighting Vortex will start to show up...mean these guys are going to have trouble since Pheonix can't block that. Card Trooper is gone. Protector stops Dekoichi and Pheonix. Nobleman kills Dekoichi.

I know I'm not hitting everything...hmm...

Six Samurai: Eh...buda bud bua bua! I'm loving it. For them at least. I hate these things if you can start them first turn.

Pros: Trooper is gone(Yes..it's a pro..trust me). Jinzo creates opens for Samurai to hit...aka lack of Torrential and Mirror. Brain limited means that their army lives on. Perfect Circle gone.(XD)
Cons: Lighting Vortex is going to spring out...makes up for lack of Mirror and Torrential ya know.

Hmm...lack of cons...someone change that for me XD

Crystal Beasts:Aren't they cute?...and deadly? Zombies(I should know) Also have a hard time with this deck like DD.

Pro: They still cute XD. With only 3(1 being Zombies which for some reason this deck likes to screw with it) decks being fast decks Cyrstal Beasts won't have many problems with aggro. Less brains...got to love that.
Cons: Breaker is back, meaning their spell zone isn't that safe. Protector stops Rare Value..and only Topaz Tiger can stop it.

DD./DD. Monarch: Anti-Meta...Anti-Meh D=

Pros: The top deck supposedly is even easier to counter than Perfect Circle.
Cons: With Apprentice Engine, weak to Nobleman.

Yah...nothing changed on there end with the list...mostly TAEV that did that.

Past Decks/ Monarchs/T-Hero/Perfect Circle: They died...except Monarchs...which have been stabbed in the leg...a lot XD

Pros:...ehh...XD One pro, Smashing limited. Meaning the Monarch can live for a few turns...til Lighting comes out XD
Cons: They don't exist anymore, but Monarchs. Brain slows down Monarchs since Soul Exchange stops battle phase, making it a bad replacement. Nobleman kills Spys and apprentice'd cards(If they use it).

And Hell Hound...ehh...I only have 1 Brain Control in my deck...even before the new format. I was able to get around Card Trooper and get zombies in my graveyard...Snipe Hunter + Card of Safe Return + Summoning= Badass my friend.

[Hellhound]

And Hell Hound...ehh...I only have 1 Brain Control in my deck...even before the new format. I was able to get around Card Trooper and get zombies in my graveyard...Snipe Hunter + Card of Safe Return + Summoning= Badass my friend.
Snipe is now restricted to 1...

And besides, there will still be times you get hands full of tributes and no Zombie Master/Snipe Hunter, or a handful of tributes and only 1 Zombie Master/Snipe Hunter. Call of the Mummy is powerful, but extremely situational. Zombies now lack a good way to dump monsters from the Deck, and I have a feeling we won't be getting Foolish Burial anytime soon...

http://shriektcg.twoday.net/stories/4151446/

Yeah... it makes me sad too...

[gino_gallizzi]

yes hellHound i get wat you are saying about the monarchs but they are a lot slower now with only 1 brain controll..and yes zombies are easily countered but who says their is just trooper when their is a card that will make a big impact in the meta this season and that card is the poor mans trooper magical merchant

[Hellhound]

yes hellHound i get wat you are saying about the monarchs but they are a lot slower now with only 1 brain controll..and yes zombies are easily countered but who says their is just trooper when their is a card that will make a big impact in the meta this season and that card is the poor mans trooper magical merchant
MONARCHS ARE SLOWER BUT SO IS EVERYTHING ELSE!

Merchant is good, but is much slower than Trooper. Also, with 2 NoC/3 Shield Crush running about now, Merchant probably won't last long enough to get its effect. Merchant will make an impact, just not as much as you might think. MPT FTW.

[Blowback Blade]

Whatever -_-
Everything is slower...that's what the beginning of last format was...oh god, no Graceful..no Faith...no drawing power! Then comes out Trooper...trust me...this is just the beginning of the format, no need to think to hard about it.

[Hellhound]

Whatever -_-
Everything is slower...that's what the beginning of last format was...oh god, no Graceful..no Faith...no drawing power! Then comes out Trooper...trust me...this is just the beginning of the format, no need to think to hard about it.
Yugimanz is my life. I think about it constantly, for lack of anything better to do. But it is a fact that everything is slower. But on the subject of cards being broken mid-format...

Death Gardius/Shapesnatch are going to break the metagame just as Trooper did before them. They will win every game, because now you have a bowtie AND a mask with horrible power. They are unstoppable. Throw in a Thousand-Eyes Idol, and your opponent will scoop as soon as they see what you're playing.

[Makeveni]

I can see that Mystic Swordsman Lv2 is coming back to own them facedowns. Limiting Trooper was a complete madness (I dont own any) to all Trooper owners. This will create a new era of deck building.

Look at the Crystal Seers! At 3! A kill! Use Salvage and plus 1 everytime, use it with Sniper Hunter and Night Assailant to get one more back in the graveyard. Too broken, especially with Magician of Faith is back in town to abuse the use of spells?

And Hellhound, SNiper is not restricted to 1. he isn't even on the ban/limited list.

[Dragonsquest]

With shield crush at 3, drill roid at 3, mystic lv2 and nobleman which is now 2 that makes defensive strategy decks hurt bad. They kill any flip effect flip summon monster so much for a bounce deck they ruined that deck with this banned list.

[Blowback Blade]

True...you can say that Stall is screwed this format =P

Unless they can somehow stop these cards =P..I'm going to see what I can do about that.

[Hellhound]

And Hellhound, SNiper is not restricted to 1. he isn't even on the ban/limited list.
Yes, he is.

http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/4173678/

[MechManiac]

I can see that Mystic Swordsman Lv2 is coming back to own them facedowns. Limiting Trooper was a complete madness (I dont own any) to all Trooper owners. This will create a new era of deck building.

Look at the Crystal Seers! At 3! A kill! Use Salvage and plus 1 everytime, use it with Sniper Hunter and Night Assailant to get one more back in the graveyard. Too broken, especially with Magician of Faith is back in town to abuse the use of spells?

And Hellhound, SNiper is not restricted to 1. he isn't even on the ban/limited list.

The Crystal Seer isnt that broken since their is two Nobleman and three Shield Crush. And overall, you only get one extra card from Crystal Seer, which is the same as Dekoichi. Also Snipe Hunter is restricted to one if you check the actually link to the list on shriek. I still don't get why they have Jinzo at two, and you can only have one Smashing Ground, Fissure, and Brain Control, so it's gonna be hard to kill Jinzo in this format.

[Dragonsquest]

cursed seal is the solution will stop shield and noc. Now all you have to do stop the monster problem solved. What I mean is this you play 3 shield 2 noc and cursed seal at 3 . whatever happens you can stop those cards a using your own as discard counter their card. For ex. They play spell doesnt matter what it is. If u know from game one they had those card in their deck just use shield or noc in your hand presto they cant use those cards for the rest of the duel.

[MukaMuka-lvl7]

there is no way this is going to be our tcg list. adding back in MoF with the apprentice magician already having seer AND vindictive? Also, unlimiting goblin housekeeping is just begging for draw/burn to become the new deck to beat.

I'm not trusting anything until I see it on UDE's site

[Makeveni]

Some one needs to upgrade this list because Snipe Hunter isn't on there. Same goes to a couple of other cards. How come smashing grounds isnt on the other list in shriek.com?

EDIT!

Holy mother of humans! This ban list was made for HORUS!

[Dark Paladen]

If this list turns out to be true, Im gonna quit.

[gino_gallizzi]

it is true it has been already been released in the ocg and of course i doubt it that this will be the first time ever that the tcg doesnt follow the ocg list(if they had a different list wat would they do at world championships???)the only changes you will see on the list is marshmallon being limited(its not limited on the ocg list for sep. 1st because again it has been limited a long time ago in the ocg list for quite awhile and its not a new addition for the ocg)

[Dobaniki]

What this list would do to gadgets is damn near kill them. Why would they attack a deck that makes top 8 every once and awhile???
This list would be discouraging if its legit.

[bb3000ae]

What this list would do to gadgets is damn near kill them. Why would they attack a deck that makes top 8 every once and awhile???
This list would be discouraging if its legit.

uh 3 of each gadget+ 2 PoA= abuse +3 Smashing and Fissure= Gadget new CC

[anduril38]

thats actually a very good point. pot at 2 + gadgets at 3 + smash/fissure would be nasty.

but still; im not going to change my decks till this list is out in english: i dont want to risk getting tonnes of cards now only to find out i cant use them

[RVBvmostucker]

this is effective september 1st. so if i go to a tournament today ill be alright using junes ban list

[narutofishy]

this new format is great. RoD is gone and so is Snatch and steal. those were some broken *** cards. and thank god crystal beast cards didnt make it to the banned/limited list. cause it shouldnt even be banned/limited cause u have to work for the cb to work. or well get good draws.

[Hydrogeddon]

In a format with 2 NoC and 3 Shield Crush, how could you guys say this format is going to be slower. Think about it, the only thing in this format I'd feel safe playing in facedown defense is Big Shield Gaurdna. Also, Mobius and Zaborg will be the Monarchs of this format because in last format nobody used defensive traps like Widespread Ruin or Sakuretsu Armor and with the lack of destruction spells Zaborg is the obvious answer. Last format, the only reason Raiza was so good was because you could bounce their f/d monster and set them back a turn. In the new format you'll use NoC or Shield Crush then summon mobius to clear thier back row. Sorry to all of you who invested in the Apprentice Engine, you're going to have a useless pile of Crystal Seers next to your graveyard. The new recruiter will be Hydrogeddon.

[Hellhound]

Sorry to all of you who invested in the Apprentice Engine, you're going to have a useless pile of Crystal Seers next to your graveyard.
Opponent: I play Nobleman of Crossout, targeting your face-down.
Me: I play Spell Shield Type-8 lol.

OR

Opponent: I play Shield Crush on your face-down.
Me: IT'S SAND MOTH! PWNED!

Unless people wise up and start playing MSLV2/Drillroid again, they are not going to be able to kill a smart player's Apprentice Engine. And even then, Monarchs still have 1 Brain Control and 3 Soul Exchanges...

Monarchs aren't going to die anytime soon.

Oh, and with 2 Jinzos, Trap counts will go down, and thus Mobius won't be played much, if at all. Don't get me wrong though, I love Hydrogeddon (the card) and am in the process of building a deck with it and 2 Jinzos. HydroKnight all over again.

[Dragonsquest]

Hellhound you are one mother loving genius. You just solved the meta problem with my bounce deck thx you so much.

[She-Dragon]

Lol. Seriously, though, this list makes me semi-happy. Let's break it down.

What I like

No Snatch Steal.
No Metamorphosis. (Abused way too much.)
No Ring. (Abused way too much.)
Breaker back.
Brain Control limited.
Trooper restricted.
Maliciuos at two.
Gadgets at two each.
Snipe at one.
Nobleman at two.

What I don't like

Magician of Faith back. (The Apprentice Engine gets sooooooo much stronger, spell cards will be abused, and with two Avarice? Pfttttt. BS!)
Two Jinzos?? Isn't one bad enough!!!???
Two PoA??? Who would play two but why??
Dustshoot at 1??
Confiscation gone?? Where's the hand control??
Smashing and Fissure at 1??? Semi-limiting Gadgets would have been good enough IMO.
Treeborn Frog still here?? What ever happened to actually TRIBUTING monsters??
Phoenix should have stayed restricted!!
D.D.W.L. should be semi'd!!!

Predictions

Monarchs will live, but will live gasping for air. Phoenix/Apprentice may do well if some in-board tech against Nobleman (coughcoughSPELLSHIELDMAGICDRAINcoughcough) is added in. Gadgets are pretty much dead without Smashing and Fissure, Machines will thrive without Trooper. T-Hero and Perfect Circle is pretty much gone, it may survive because of D-Draw. Demise will see some play, but less OTK. And me? I'll be figuring all of this out by the Sept. 8th Regional!

[Hellhound]

Hellhound you are one mother loving genius. You just solved the meta problem with my bounce deck thx you so much.
Finally, someone sees my reasoning. Thanks for the compliment.

[Hydrogeddon]

Oh great job hellhound, you found a Counter trap that Counters something, good for you. Seriously though, there is a counter trap that specifically destroys a Monarch (pretty much) and yet they are still at the top of our mta. If you're going to dedicate at least 2 slots to spell-shield, then more power to you, but you're not going to stop your seers from hitting the RFG-pile. And later in your post you said that we would see a decline in trap usage, so where are your spell-shields going to be then? You think things like spell-shield and sand moth are going to be main decked because they counter a few cards and then are totally useless any other time? I think the meta will just shift to be more aggressive. Monarch decks won't run things like GK Spy's and the Apprentice Engine, they will run Hydro's and Tomatos(just in face-up atk). I just am almost positive this meta will be a lot different because of 2 NoC's and the introduction of Shield Crush into our meta. It's too early to know for sure now, but I guess we'll see.

[Dark Paladen]

Instead of unbanning the same old cards such as Breaker/Faith, they should really unban some cards that arent ussually unbanned. It would give them a fair idea on how it would work.

I understand that Gadgets are a problem in Japan but limiting Smash/Fissure to 1 just completely screws the deck over here. If they were smart they would have left Smash/Fissure unlimited and just brought Book/Goats/TT all to 2-3 to counter a Gadget swarm and also stop future OTK's. Limiting those 2 only makes Jinzo stay out longer than it has to.

The list solves some Monarch problems, but they could have easily banned Frog and some people would have thought otherwise about using them. So basically if you dont own Monarchs, or Seers your screwed imo. The only hope I can have is that our list is a bit different like Smash/Fissure at 3 still. Im a huge Gadget player but punishing a deck that hasnt done to well over here is pretty retarded.

Ive stayed with this game since the beginning and Ive adapted and loved all the formats but if this turns out to be true, I think the game will be going down hill from here.

[masterwoo0]

Let's keep it civil. "Paper Dueling" always works the way you want it too. It's the actual application in the real game that may not always translate correctly.

We are bound to have plenty of people who think they have the answer to the current formats problems. It didnt work for this one, and there are even less cards to combat other problems that pop up in the new one coming. So, in the end, expect to see a lot of games being played as a battle of attrition. "He who has the last card standing, wins...."

I understand that Gadgets are a problem in Japan but limiting Smash/Fissure to 1 just completely screws the deck over here. If they were smart they would have left Smash/Fissure unlimited and just brought Book/Goats/TT all to 2-3 to counter a Gadget swarm and also stop future OTK's. Limiting those 2 only makes Jinzo stay out longer than it has to.How are Gadget's screwed, unless no one can think of any other ways to play them other than the usual "CC Decks". If you can think on your own, no Deck is "screwed". It's the people that went out and bought card for card singles so they could Netdeck that are screwed. Now they have a bunch of extra cards to really build some Decks with, so its not a entire loss.

Point is, start building Decks and worry about what was Banned later.

[FiendMasterCVN]

I like this list a lot. I am glad they banned Snatch Steal and Ring of Destruction. I am even more glad that Trapdust Shoot is at one, and that Breaker back!

Hopefully this will be our ban list as well.

[Dragonsquest]

Gadget arent screwed over in fact to be honest any deck i have gadgets in i would never play more then 2 of each colour so it hasnt hurt my decks at all.

[Hellhound]

Oh great job hellhound, you found a Counter trap that Counters something, good for you. Seriously though, there is a counter trap that specifically destroys a Monarch (pretty much) and yet they are still at the top of our mta. If you're going to dedicate at least 2 slots to spell-shield, then more power to you, but you're not going to stop your seers from hitting the RFG-pile. And later in your post you said that we would see a decline in trap usage, so where are your spell-shields going to be then? You think things like spell-shield and sand moth are going to be main decked because they counter a few cards and then are totally useless any other time? I think the meta will just shift to be more aggressive. Monarch decks won't run things like GK Spy's and the Apprentice Engine, they will run Hydro's and Tomatos(just in face-up atk). I just am almost positive this meta will be a lot different because of 2 NoC's and the introduction of Shield Crush into our meta. It's too early to know for sure now, but I guess we'll see.Sounds like I offended you...

It's seriously not a good idea to try and insult me... very rare is the occasion when I lose an argument, especially with a bunch of juveniles... (For the occasional adult on here, I mean no offense.) Now, onto business.

Spell Shield Type-8 is a versatile card that can be used against almost any deck, and the same can be said for Magic Drain. Remember, both of these have the potential to negate any Spell, and are not limited to a few effects like Pulling the Rug is. Versatility is the key.

On the subject of Pulling the Rug, the reason that decks that main them don't often do well is all the rogue decks out there. Pulling the Rug is useless in every matchup except Monarchs and Gadgets.

On the subject on Sand Moth, I never said it'd make for a good main deck card. Side deck, probably, but not main deck.

Oh, and one final point. The Apprentice Engine still works even if Seer is removed from play. Monarchs still win without it. It hurts, but it isn't fatal.

Let's keep it civil. "Paper Dueling" always works the way you want it too. It's the actual application in the real game that may not always translate correctly.

We are bound to have plenty of people who think they have the answer to the current formats problems. It didnt work for this one, and there are even less cards to combat other problems that pop up in the new one coming. So, in the end, expect to see a lot of games being played as a battle of attrition. "He who has the last card standing, wins...."

Magic Drain/Spell Shield has worked wonders in my testing. They worked just fine in application, though you are correct in saying nothing ever works as well on real-life as it does on paper. Drain/Shield isn't the complete answer to the problem, but it's a start.

[yu-gi-oh_noob]

If this list is real (and it looks it) Bazoo return is gona make a comeback (working on a decklist now).


:mad: About losing 2 Troopers and 1 Malicious

[Bangil]

They are going to definetly regret 2 Jinzos.And letting Magician of Faith back.Definetly.

[popnfresh_2k]

Haha im So happy with this list.

Monarchs are still all powerful haha

[yu-gi-oh_noob]

Haha im So happy with this list.

Monarchs are still all powerful haha

Not with 2 X-outs, not to mention the restriction of Brain Control.

[kehw]

baboon, zombies, burn, mpt, demise, spon, macro, warrior, and toolboxs

lol there are a lot of deck that come to mind i think creature swap will become a big part of this format swaps/dd monster will be monster removal

[Soulking518]

just read over everything lol
Now when i get back i have a feeling that this thread is gonna be gone or filled with replies :D
Friday (today)- Leaving
Sat- Gone
Sun night - Returning
Thread will be at ... 120-150 posts :D
I said this 3 days ago lmao and i was rite :D
Overall, im happy card trooper is limited even though i pulled one lol :cool:
2 jinzos = SUCKY! rather have 3 aprentices...CMON!
Breaker and MOF off = ownage
Brain, smashing, fissure, transmigration on = Mixed feelings
Not with 2 X-outs, not to mention the restriction of Brain Control.
Sadly, they still have creature swap and soul exchange...:(

[YGO Daedalus]

But creature swap still costs them one monster, as for soul exchange...yeah.
Monarch will dominate this format along with samurais (either you have mirror force or you lose), gadgets are mostly dead (I play them, and I am trying to figure a way to still make them as powerful as they used to be...it is not going good), demise has lost his OTK quality but still will be a major competitor, and as for ratbox and Warrior toolbox....I believe they have more of a chance now, the ratbox as long as it doesn't set the Rat it will be hard to control it.

[masterwoo0]

But creature swap still costs them one monster, as for soul exchange...yeah.
Can you explain how a one for one trade using Creature Swap still cost a monster?? I mean, you're just trading cards, unless you give them a face-up Spirit Monster.

[Draco765]

Changed the Topic Name to OCG Forbidden/Limited List... as this is not the TCG list yet.

and until it is posted on the Judge forum or http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/yugioh/en/gameplay/forbidden/advanced_current.aspx it is still not the one we will be following.

[cashflow69]

is this not confirmed yet

[Il_Blud]

I personally hope this is the ban list, 3 D.D.A., Breaker, and MOF are great. I personally hate 2 Jinzos though.

[mr.top8]

they put jinzo at 2 because this format promotes slower decks like burn, i think it will be ok because snipe is at 1. reason why d-commander is at 1 and mal is at 2 is because in japan they have foolish burial and that is a good deck over there (foolish burial lets you put one card in your deck to the graveyard, broken with mal and commander).

faith won't really be too bad because we have two NoC and in october we will get shield crush, so she's really not a problem.

you can pulling the rug breaker, i think because his effect is when he's normal summoned you HAVE to put a counter on him.

brain at 1 will be a drwaback to monarchs, but smart players will figure out another card that we have available to us that will provide fodder.

treeborn is ok with snipe at one so he's not too broken.

gadgets at 2 b/c of obvious reasons.

i think having trooper at 2 would be better because it can still be used in top tier decks, while at the same time not be abused with duplication. i think if they just banned limiter, they could've kept trooper at 2. maybe he's at one in japan becasue they have dandelion...idk who knows.

rest of the list is good though.

[YGO Daedalus]

Can you explain how a one for one trade using Creature Swap still cost a monster?? I mean, you're just trading cards, unless you give them a face-up Spirit Monster.

You still need a monster to activate it, not like brain control, which let you just take control of one of your opponent's most useful monster and use it as tribute without you having any monsters. Creature Swap will play a great deal in the format, but won't have the same impact as Brain Control had.

[scapeg0at]

WELL I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO NOW ;sssssss.last will is back and EXILED IS on 3.mof is a sure think.same goes for breaker.my 2 smashing are now destroyed and brain too.i'm confused ohhhhhhhhhhhh!!

look at my present deck and someone apply the new ban list changes
monsters 18
2 mobius
2 thestalos
1 zaborg
1 dd wl
2 crystal ceel
1 ehero wildheart
1 spirit reaper
2 cyber dragon
1 treeborn frog
1 twin-headed behemoth
2 gk spy
1 sangen
1 neo spacian grand mole

spells 14

1x brain control
1x enemy controller
1x snatch steal
1x pot of avarice
1x premature burial
1x heavy storm
1x mystical space typhoon
1x book of moon
1x shrink
2x smashing ground
1x nobleman of crossout
1x scapegoat
1x swords of revealing light

traps 8

2x bottomless trap hole
1x ring of destruction
2x sakuretsu armor
1x mirror force
1x torrential tribute
1x call of the haunted

[Dragon Tamer]

I think Phoenix decks would be great, maybe tier 1, if it wasn't for NOC being at 2. As usual monarchs might reign again, but we could see frost and flame dragon splashed in there, maybe for tech. Horus might get a chance to shine, but DDA at 3 might make that a hard task. That's my 2 cents.

[scapeg0at]

ok i'll transfer the same post at the tournament deck threads.

[masterwoo0]

You still need a monster to activate it, not like brain control, which let you just take control of one of your opponent's most useful monster and use it as tribute without you having any monsters. Creature Swap will play a great deal in the format, but won't have the same impact as Brain Control had.
Are we talking about Creature Swap, or Soul Exchange??? How long have you been playing this game???????

With Creature Swap, you AND your opponent need to have a monster, so you aren't losing anything unless you give them something that is going to return to you at End Phase or is going to be destroyed at the end of the turn..

Soul Exchange is the one where you don't need a monster. This is why I asked you to clarify yourself.

[Cha05Kn1ght]

They nerfed too many deck types. i'm all for challenging the metagame, but remember we had a diverse metagame this last 6 months. I think that killing half of the gadget decks and ALL of the 10+ monarch decks may have been a bit much, not to mention killing Demise OTK.

*sigh* guess i'll go in my little corner and make a ratty gadget deck or something.

[channel_v93]

They nerfed too many deck types. i'm all for challenging the metagame, but remember we had a diverse metagame this last 6 months. I think that killing half of the gadget decks and ALL of the 10+ monarch decks may have been a bit much, not to mention killing Demise OTK.

*sigh* guess i'll go in my little corner and make a ratty gadget deck or something.

Troop Dupe Scoop is diverse? It could be splashed in any deck it was a race for who got it first, AKA LUCKSACKING.

And Dragon Tamer, Phoenix won't do good, DDA is a 3.

[dragon0466]

i love this new ban list.

[okurul]

tcg banlist up they are the same

[Rurikarakusa]

The original post has been edited to include an official link and some minor changes to make this list identical to the TCG list, not the OCG list.

Let the discussion continue!

[yo shorty b]

I think the only change was the limitation of gold sarcorigus, and marshmellon right?

[Soulking518]

When did UDE set up the new TCG banned list? and what site?

[masterwoo0]

I think the only change was the limitation of gold sarcorigus, and marshmellon right?
Do you actually know what the difference between the OCG List and the TCG List are? If cards are already listed on the OCG List (I feel like I've repeated this at least a dozen times), they aren't going to call it again when NEW cards are posted to the list, and since no one actually posted the FULL OCG Ban List, this question keeps popping up.

Nothing changed as far as Marshmallon and Sarcophagus. They were already limited in Japan. We just added them to our list to be consistant with THEIR List.

[Rurikarakusa]

When did UDE set up the new TCG banned list? and what site?

The link is provided at the top of the original post.

[Soulking518]

(I feel like I've repeated this at least a dozen times)

Oh, You have. LoL. People don't get it though.

The link is provided at the top of the original post.

Thanks Sir!

[Blackbelial]

TARAAAAAAAAAAANNNN!!
so the expectation is over!!
Globalization is taking the world accept it and we have the same Japan list.
So we can keep using Japan banlists as reference in the future!

Cry, baby cry!!
Can I offer $35.00 for a trooper?
I just need one... lol

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/yugioh/en/gameplay/forbidden/advanced_current_new.aspx

[Dragon Tamer]

I can't wait until this new list takes effect, it will be awesome to see the fall of troop dup scoop!! I hate that deck!

[Gungnir]

ohh man in sooo pissed gadgets took a big HIT OHHH WELL but hell yeah so did monarchs so im happy

[VALKYRIAN_MAGE]

clown control will rise again and rule the world, well at least the new format i hope.
i love the idea of not fearing troop, dupe, scoop anymore.

[numberonezero99]

this list is cool, addresses problems in almost all metas, troopers for sale 3 for a dollar, lol...tahts a joke ppl dont PM about 33 cent troops

[Draco765]

clown control will rise again and rule the world, well at least the new format i hope.
i love the idea of not fearing troop, dupe, scoop anymore.

But with the addition of Breaker, they have one more way of shutting down the field control.

[Il_Blud]

I think this opens the path for some more diversity during this six months.

[Yugi001]

no more ROD

this list is cool, addresses problems in almost all metas, troopers for sale 3 for a dollar, lol...tahts a joke ppl dont PM about 33 cent troops
trooper did go down a little it used to see them at 50 buck with like a day left now i saw one at 37 buck with and hour left

[xxxxx035]

spellcasters will now dominate again..mof, breaker.dMoc,old vindictave, seer,magician vakyrian,apprentice

[Blackbelial]

But with the addition of Breaker, they have one more way of shutting down the field control.

Thank you God for that!!
I'm not confortable with apprentice magician return but the list could not be perfect.

Also I prefere spell striker over soul exchange just because I can hit...

$30.00 to $40.00 box for a crystal seer, definitelly this is business...

In japan it is common, right?

[grandgundam]

i'm glad about card trooper being limited to 1 just don't like the fact that ring is gone again and glade that BREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIOR
is back

[knightbyrdsr]

This is a crap list. How stupid can these people be??!??!!

First off, I can understand Snatch and RoD, maybe even conf. But not metamorphosis. Limited at best.

MoF sure [bye bye MSE], BREAKER????!!!??! Disk Commander is fine... Trooper just for overuse, Dupe is better.

Megamorph no one cares about, snipe for overuse... Brain Control, as much as I love it, definitely deserves this. Dustshoot should be in 2s... Smashing and Fissure? Why? Can you say "Face-up Invincibility?"

Trans, meh. Wall, Don't care.

Jinzo. No way. There is no way that happens. If Imperial Order is banned, how does Jinzo get to where it is?

PoA, who cares. Nobleman of XC shouldn't be semi'd...

Malicious + Gadgets, fine... Decree, fine.

Congrats Konami. You just killed about 8 deck types, and not one of them are monarchs!

You are very correct, why is it that the most dominate c.c. deck out there got little or no attention. Brain control and snatch steal aside, monarchs got no attention at all, nor did the cyber dragons. What is the deal.

[masterwoo0]

why is it that the most dominate c.c. deck out there got little or no attention.
Because its a DECK, and not a "Monster". You have 5 Monarchs, not one that is dominant by itself. Even Raiza can only be effective if he is Tribute Summoned, otherwise, he's just a 2400 ATK Monster.

If you Ban Zaborg, does it weaken the Monarchs as a whole, or just the use of that one Monster?? How do you weaken a monster that really is already "weak"?

Maybe you guys should spend more time thinking about the reasons WHY a card didnt get Banned, instead of focusing on a Deck that doesnt get dismantled, when there is no reason for it to.

[Mecha]

Well to me its pretty much even. It limits or bans some cards that were most trouble during previous meta but same it its takes away or limits some of my personal favorites. Also note that banning Snatch Steal and limiting Brain Control do weaken monarch decks.

[Mystic-Homer]

The new ban list is great - Which wasn't really my initial reaction since I was so focused on the limiting of Brain Control and Card Trooper.

No more crippling first turn Confiscations, less chance of equally crippling early game Trap Dustshoots...

Less tributing of your own monsters by the opponent, no more ripping Snatch Steal off the top of your deck in the late game, no more games ending with a Ring on the second or third turn after an explosive previous turn.

So yeah, after playing with this banlist more and more, I have come to love it... It's great to have an easy way to recycle Spells again, and another method of simple S/T removal in the mid to late game :D

The new format should minimize the quick games/matches everyone was having frequently in the previous format... But even with Brain Control at 1 and NoC at 2, don't expect to see less Monarch variants running around.

[knightbyrdsr]

Because its a DECK, and not a "Monster". You have 5 Monarchs, not one that is dominant by itself. Even Raiza can only be effective if he is Tribute Summoned, otherwise, he's just a 2400 ATK Monster.

If you Ban Zaborg, does it weaken the Monarchs as a whole, or just the use of that one Monster?? How do you weaken a monster that really is already "weak"?

Maybe you guys should spend more time thinking about the reasons WHY a card didnt get Banned, instead of focusing on a Deck that doesnt get dismantled, when there is no reason for it to.

Trust me I'm not a monarch hater, it's just that these ban list seem to promote a certain type of deck and not encourage the innovation that such a large pool of options would allow for. This past ban list had the most competitive deck variations I've seen. I have only been activily playing for about 18 mos. and have never won a tournament but I also have to maintain 4 decks on a limited budget. This past ban list allowed my family to become more compatitive. My two oldest boys actually topped eight a few times at local tournaments. But this new list doesn't seem to continue that trend. By making a certain type of card i.e. traps a target of this ban list you virtuallly eliminate an option of cards for a set group of decks. Everyone well side 2 Jinzo's and 2 royal decress and kill you with monarchs. They well find ways of comming up with fodder and you won't have a way of stopping the agression without a steep cost. I see us going back to the old days of everyother match being a mirror match. IMO. Also banning snatch steal helps monarchs and all other high level cards more than it hurts them.

The new ban list is great - Which wasn't really my initial reaction since I was so focused on the limiting of Brain Control and Card Trooper.

No more crippling first turn Confiscations, less chance of equally crippling early game Trap Dustshoots...

Less tributing of your own monsters by the opponent, no more ripping Snatch Steal off the top of your deck in the late game, no more games ending with a Ring on the second or third turn after an explosive previous turn.

So yeah, after playing with this banlist more and more, I have come to love it... It's great to have an easy way to recycle Spells again, and another method of simple S/T removal in the mid to late game :D

The new format should minimize the quick games/matches everyone was having frequently in the previous format... But even with Brain Control at 1 and NoC at 2, don't expect to see less Monarch variants running around.

I agree with most of what you have to say, but one of the things that make yugioh different from most other tcg and adds a huge fun factor is the ability to snatch victory out of the face of defeat. In most tcg's once you get down and your opponent has control of the game its a done deal. It gets boring fast and slows the game down alot. The luck factor, or as my son calls it "heart of the cards", allows average card players to enjoy the game even when faced with a dominate skilled player. I am 46yrs old and enjoy playing the game because my kids can actually beat me at something without me sacking on it. We play all kinds of games, chess, board games, video games and the such, but most times for them to win I have to let them. I think it is only fair for me to have fun too. :)

[midnightQ]

i don`t understand why they banned witch of black forest it`s almost like sangan.

[Mystic-Homer]

Witch of the Black Forest has been banned for the longest time... It's not a new ban this format or anything.

And it's because Witch can search for Monarchs, Jinzo, among many others.
Most of the broken cards that both Witch and Sangan can search for, like Fiber Jar, Cyber Jar, Yatagarasu, Serpent, have been banned.

These days, Sangan is mostly used for searching for Trooper, Treeborn, and Spirit Reaper, things that are much less broken (though you can argue about Treeborn =P).

Basically, Sangan is still allowed because its range of monsters that it can add to your hand are a lot more limited than Witch's is.

@knight: I get what you mean, but the last format didn't always reward the best players. There was too much luck involved. Yu-Gi-Oh! has always had more of the element of luck than most other TCG's, and it's not like this banlist has eliminated it completely, there's still plenty of luck involved in this game.

[BigStinkin'Ape]

this list kicks @$$ way better than I expected

[Crazy_Guy_777]

i dont like snatch yay it's gone
i hate how they banned ring
un banned magician and breaker
i hate how they banned metamorphosis
2 Pots coool
2 Jinzo's were all screwed
2 Nobleman No More Facedowns

[Blowback Blade]

-_-

Nobleman of Crossout doesn't mean face-downs are gone...it's just 2. Just 2, of course if your deck just sets and sets your screwed probably, but I'm betting set a searcher is still an ok move, flip effect monsters though will have it rough.

As for Jinzo..I personally don't care. It's like Masterwoo said in some other places(I think he said it...) most people run 5 or so traps...Jinzo will not create big impact. Of course, it slows down my Deck Dev, but I can just simply add Shrinks and problem solved.

After my tests of the format, I'm loving it. My same combos are working(cause I ran a zombie deck that didn't Troop dupe =P) and infact...maybe even better with Breaker and Magican...I hated those Mirrors and face-downs. But with Jinzo fear floating and Breaker I don't have any problems with my swarming...at least...not much. Of course I do fall sometimes, but Zombies just raise back up. Which is Magician's role, by getting a spell I can practicality reswarm my field.

[Cybertech134]

Well, Here's my opinion about the list:

Ban list:

Ring of Destruction-Not too happy, but not down about it.

Snatch Steal-Didn't like the ban of this one, but we all know it was just for the best.

Metamorphosis-Uhh...huh. The reason why they banned this card is beyond me.

Confiscation-I had no attachments to this card, and I only used it a few times. It was very annoying and put in almost every top deck. I guess they want to perserve originality (Not that many people had it anyway).

Limited:

Breaker the Magical Warrior-Great...Breaker came back. I knew this was coming. *Sigh*

Magician of Faith-Well with this coming back and the recent release of Crystal Seer, we'd better expect almost everyone running the Apprentice Magician Engine again. (There goes originality)

Trap Dustshoot-About time! I wonder why people didn't start using this card until recently.

Brain Control-NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Couldn't they just at the most Semi-Limit it?

Card Trooper-Personally, I'm glad this is gone. As you may have noticed, I'm a biggie on originality. With Troopers flying around in the majority of decks, originality was put "on the ground" before Smashing Ground was played.

Fissure/Smashing Ground-Sure. They were played alot, but not abused enough to be banned.

Marshmallon-Duh! If Spirit Reaper is on, this should be, also.

Snipe Hunter-Well a cheap card-removal effect deserves its place on the list.

The Transmigration Prophecy-Hmm...I didn't see many people playing this. But that's just me.

Wall of Revealing Light-Why?

Destiny Hero-Malicious-Well, I never used it, but I do know that it was constantly used.

Gadgets-I sorta understand why.

Jinzo-What!!!!!!! If anything, I thought it would be banned. But putting it at two? What fruit rollups will they roll up next?

Pot of Avarice-Wha......?

Royal Decree-I guess semi because of the extra Jinzo. But come on! Why the extra Jinzo?

[Tornado-Storm]

Personally I don't like the new list much.I am happy about monarch support being limited/banned.Not happy bout ring going.not sure what is going on with the lis because some things seem really weird like jinzo at 1 was enough now two!!!Anyway i am going to go to the traditional format until the list is in better shape hehe :D

[masterwoo0]

Personally I don't like the new list much.I am happy about monarch support being limited/banned.Not happy bout ring going.not sure what is going on with the lis because some things seem really weird like jinzo at 1 was enough now two!!!Anyway i am going to go to the traditional format until the list is in better shape hehe :D
Why does everyone call it Monarch Support?? I could see if they had cards that said,
"Special Summon 1 Monarch Monster from your hand, Deck, or Graveyard. Monsters summoned by this effect will be Treated as a Tribute Summon, and destroyed at the End Phase of your turn."

THATS a Monarch Support Card. Cards like Brain Control, Card Trooper, Soul Exchange, Snatch Steal, etc... None of those cards are specifically "Monarch Support", and only aided in them being summoned, just like they would any other 5-6 Star Monster.

So what now? Go after Recruiter's?

[Blackbelial]

Why does everyone call it Monarch Support??
...and only aided in them being summoned, just like they would any other 5-6 Star Monster.

Because the entire format was stuck in the freaking monarchs and card troopers. Hopefully this will change a little bit with this new list.

So what now? Go after Recruiter's?
...well, they limited already the gadgets to 2 of each, so they are doing it chief.....

[masterwoo0]

Because the entire format was stuck in the freaking monarchs and card troopers. Hopefully this will change a little bit with this new list.


...well, they limited already the gadgets to 2 of each, so they are doing it chief.....
Of course. That was already one of the main complaints. No one is complaining about Hydrogeddon, or Mystic Tomato, or Giant Rat.

Just Malicious and Gadgets.

[Dark Diabolis]

WellI think the ban list is alright because they bought back Breaker but they also got rid or Ring and Snatch which was a little disappointing. Also since they limited Brain to 1 and ban Snatch there is alot less tribute food from your opponents side of the field for any monster especially MONARCHS !!!( I am a huge fan of this type of deck). But non the less the list wasnt to bad. And its a good thing they got fid of Confiscation !!!!! Yayyyyy.

[Shadowkiller27]

Well I myself am a monarch player and I believe that they even distributed the control cards. Sure they took away Snatch steal and limited Brain control, but this is going to be a format where decks are going to have tons of monsters and note they did nothing to Soul exchange and nothing to dual summon. Granted SOul exchange forces to wait a turn but who cares when you kill an opponents monster and still get off a monarch effect? Furthermore, unlike brain control Soul exchange targets face down, which is always a plus.

Now as for dual summon oh the possibilities, two summons in one turn hehehe, oh I will exploit that bad boy... Now I just need to get three of them!

[ILVENOM]

I dont like that ring was banned. The week i finally got a ring it was bieng banned that next one

[Dragon Tamer]

The meta is more even now, until some other random awesome card comes out in the next 6 months, i.e. six samurai's in GLAS.

[Wydogg5305]

i like the list a lot... ring and snatch were too good. demise was too cheesy so...meta also deserves to be gone. jinzo at two i think will have the biggest impact. pot at two doesnt rly do anyhting, if u run more than 1 your just bad. they might as well banned dustshoot, it a terirble card at just 1, u need it first or second turn after that its useless. same with trooper, its rly not that effective and 1. i dont like how they auto restricted marshmallon either. it hasnt even rly surfaced yet, im the only one in the area who has one yet...i guess its cool i only had to get one.

[Dr. StRaNj]

Monarchs are stll crazy, demise and ddt are even better, samurai are stupid good, and all the toolbox decks have a fighting chance. O and bigcity went 5-0 in the swiss at a local so the gotta be good. and i made top16 at a tourny of 48 with tomatobox aggro so dont count it out.

[BarrelDragon]

i dont like the 2 jinzos agaisnt me but love em for me

[frogger]

its good i like it

[braincontroller]

I love that card trooper is limited to 1 because trooper dup. was just annoying and finally trapdushoot and snipe hunter are also limited to 1. And all the card that are unrestricted was a good idea because they were pointless to limit in the first place.

[BEWD861]

Having finished a Hobby League testing gauntlet for this format, I can safely say that I like it. Two Jinzos... annoying, but controllable.

More time will be required for everyone to see what's what when it comes to this format, though, just like with every preceding Advanced Format before this.

[BarrelDragon]

the troop dupe scoop was lame i didnt like it so annoying. also snipe hunter being limited hurts some decks a lot but helps out more in the long run

[dinocrush]

weres injection fairy last i heard it was banned

[BarrelDragon]

nope shes not we could ( more then likely will) be seeing her in many a top 8s with her effect carrying her all the way back to the ban list XD

[The_Original_Joker]

I'm so glad that UDE wants to kill YuGiOh with the Monarchs, because they have yet to be restricted...

Every other deck type that ran rampant had been stopped sooner or later.

Chaos
TroopDupeScoop
Yata
Envoy

But, the Monarchs have yet to be stopped, or even slowed down. Yes, Brain control is at 1, Snatch is gone, blah blah blah... But you can still have 3 Econ's, Treeborn Frog, and what's to stop a Zombie-Monarch deck?

Zombie Master, discard, S. summon creature, sac. Monarch....

Never-ending Monarchs!

[Rapt0R]

Monarchs should be limited,that would stop them.

UDEnami is banning not so great cards like Confi and leaves monarchs untouched =/. they're stupid IMO

[darktomato1]

Its alot more fair to people that dont want to or cant spend alot of money on yugioh.

[BEWD861]

(sigh)
The Chaos Monsters were just that - monsters. Same with Yata. Troop-Dupe-Scoop was an OTK combo gone mad.
All of them were limited or banned because their power was overused too easily, too fast, was too splashable, and (unlike Demise OTK) didn't near-die of overexposure.

The Monarchs are good in a deck with them as the central monsters. A deck, for goodness sake; that is why the monsters themselves are untouched in terms of the banned/restricted list. Throw an individual Monarch into any given deck and they're as annoying as something like a Kaiser Glider with spin mechanics/hand disruption/monster (or) S/T destruction for a tribute summon effect in lieu of the effects it already has. They can be stopped, or at least held off, using the card pool we have.
Unless something in the Japanese card pool can stop all Monarch decks, I believe two options exist; either keep cryin' about the Monarchs' presence or deal with the current situation.

Econ's require a sac to get their control-switch effect; best combos that could occur there to summon a Monarch in a turn involve Scapegoat and - surprise, surprise - Treeborn Frog. If Zombie Monarchs spawn forth then some currently backwater card will more then likely be found as the new lynchpin, like with (the now defunct) Demise OTK and Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell.

Also, to those who insist on bashing the folks who keep the game going in this neck of the world, if they're so stupid, why don't you just quit and find another game?

[Wydogg5305]

I'm so glad that UDE wants to kill YuGiOh with the Monarchs, because they have yet to be restricted...

Every other deck type that ran rampant had been stopped sooner or later.

Chaos
TroopDupeScoop
Yata
Envoy

But, the Monarchs have yet to be stopped, or even slowed down. Yes, Brain control is at 1, Snatch is gone, blah blah blah... But you can still have 3 Econ's, Treeborn Frog, and what's to stop a Zombie-Monarch deck?

Zombie Master, discard, S. summon creature, sac. Monarch....

Never-ending Monarchs!

stop whining... e controller blows. its not even run in monarchs...maybe as 1 of now cuz of 2 jinzo being around....all those other decks won like damn near automatically when they got there 1 or 2 card combos to go off. chaos/return...troop/dupe....painful choice/CED/BLS.......while monarchs doesnt auto win. its just the recurring +1's and +2's u get that makes it so good. but its beatable unlike those others listed above.

[Wydogg5305]

Its alot more fair to people that dont want to or cant spend alot of money on yugioh.


i dont agree...i thats rly dumb if u think they need to start banning/restricitng things just beacuse of money. the poor kids dont matter, your free wins...thats all. and comic relief i guess.

[Pharaoh Horus]

The list is alright, however monarchs should have been limited (Raiza at the very least).

[BEWD861]

Poor kids crack aside, Wydogg, I agree. If they banned and limited cards due to money, every card of Secret Rare and above that could only be found in those rarities - such as Rainbow Dragon and (heaven forbid they ban this) Gate Guardian - would be banned. -_-;;

As for the Monarchs thing, I believe my theory was already dished out - twofold, technically, if you check with Masterw00, because I believe he once said the exact same thing.

[TheSlyWolf]

Bring Back Cyber Jar!!!

[Pharaoh Horus]

Bring Back Cyber Jar!!!

That card is too broken...

[JerkJerk]

Before anyone says something stupid again on this forum, I want my 2 cents accounted for.

Jinzo-Semilimited: That is better than 3 royals and the single jinzo, Royal is just that much easier to get into play than Jinzo. Since Jinzo is a monster, you need 2 of those precious spots in your monster line up. A good example of how even this can be is in Horus deck's, they have to be able to get Jinzo on the field, they mostly waste that Normal Summon instead of summoning Horus LV6. This sufficently lowers the odds of pulling a decree and set it on yur turn and having it during your opponents standby phase.

Limiting any monarch is ridiculus, no one at UDE would even think of doing that because are not that good. A monarch needs a tribute to get its effect, the cards that really need to limit are cards like Cydra, Gk Spys would sooner be restricted than a monarch, Treeborn, Dimensional cards like scout plane and survivor. All those kind of cards make the monarchs an easy 1 tribute and sometimes a first turn advantage. This is why Brain control was Limited and Snatch steal banned

[Pharaoh Horus]

Limiting any monarch is ridiculus, no one at UDE would even think of doing that because are not that good. A monarch needs a tribute to get its effect, the cards that really need to limit are cards like Cydra, Gk Spys would sooner be restricted than a monarch, Treeborn, Dimensional cards like scout plane and survivor. All those kind of cards make the monarchs an easy 1 tribute and sometimes a first turn advantage. This is why Brain control was Limited and Snatch steal banned

And yet Monarchs have been Tier 1 for what seems to be about four formats. Most of these behemoths are balanced, however Raiza the Storm Monarch is way too flexible and needs to face a restriction, or perhaps even a banning.

[BEWD861]

Raiza the Storm Monarch is way too flexible and needs to face a restriction, or perhaps even a banning.

On this, I concur. Raiza's effect is akin to Time Seal in terms of sheer power.

Jinzo-Semilimited: That is better than 3 royals and the single jinzo, Royal is just that much easier to get into play than Jinzo. Since Jinzo is a monster, you need 2 of those precious spots in your monster line up. A good example of how even this can be is in Horus deck's, they have to be able to get Jinzo on the field, they mostly waste that Normal Summon instead of summoning Horus LV6. This sufficently lowers the odds of pulling a decree and set it on yur turn and having it during your opponents standby phase.

I also concur here; monsters are more valued then spells and traps in the deckbuilding process, imo; the 2-Decree, 2-Jinzo setup DOES make trap hate more stable, as JerkJerk stated... at least, in theory.

However, from the looks of things it's entirely possible that trap hate may vanish altogether come next March, given that Decree AND Jinzo hit semi-limitation...

[Red-EyesBlackDragon]

My personal opinions as a duelist who avoids using widely spashable cards may be a bit biased, but I feel they are reasonable.

I enjoy how they finally banned Consifcation, and put back on ban Snatch Steal and Ring of Destruction, neither of which belonged back on the allowed list in the first place.

The limits on Brain Control, Smashing Ground, and Disk Commander all made me a happy camper. Brain Control was often used as a way to get tribute fodder, making it plenty overpowered. Smashing was a mindless card, and was always able to break a game into many little pieces. Disk Commander made revival cards stronger, and deserved to be on the limited list from the start. Marshmallon didn't deserve to be on the limited list, because you only got his effect when he was attacked while face-down.

Card Trooper, Transmigration Prophecy, Trap Dustshoot, and Wall of Revealing Light I coudl've cared less about, because they aren't used well all that often.

Malicious on Semi I wouldn't have done. He was a weak level 6 monster with a decent swarming effect. However, if you had 2 Malicious in the same general location other than your deck, it was much weaker. Semi-limiting him was really uncalled for.

Jinzo on Semi makes things a little more interesting, especially with Royal Decree at its deserved Semi-Limited spot. Jinzo was overpowered with Brain Control running rampant in 3's, and made Trap negation fairly easy. but with Brain Control's new limited status, this overpowering force has taken a few steps down.

Magician of Faith and Breaker back on the limited list makes for a somewhat more strategic game. Breaker had a one-time ability that made him a good pick for Semi or Limited restriction. But full ban was uncalled for on him, partly because he was unsearchable, and his ability was one-time unless you used something to recover spell counters, which isn't playable today, save Apprentice Magician. Magician of Faith is a card that does little to aid with Field Presence, so her ban was partly uncalled for. But her effect to recover any Spell Card from your grave was very useful, unless you drew her on your first turn, in which case, she was a pretty dead draw.

The Gadget monsters at 2 each doesn't really hurt them. Instead, it gives more room for other cards that would make them stronger. So in the end, I don't think semi-limiting them was the best idea.

Those are my thoughts on most of these changes, and I hope I didn't sound too noobish when talking about these.

[BEWD861]

I enjoy how they finally banned Consifcation, and put back on ban Snatch Steal and Ring of Destruction, neither of which belonged back on the allowed list in the first place.


While that is true - and while I'm sure every duellist on the planet's singing praises for that trio of decisions - you have to remember that while Snatch should never have been pulled off the banlist to begin with (once it got there), and while Confiscation's power has been proven too strong for play, Ring was brought back to counter Stein-OTK back when it ran rampant.

'Course, that doesn't explain why they kept it on after Stein-OTK was knocked outta the running, but I'm just saying that Ring of Destruction was at least brought back for a reason. They should've banned it and Stein simultaneously, but that's human error for ya.

[magnex1991]

to be honest with ya i dont c the point in creating cards to ban them if u agree then say!

[Red-EyesBlackDragon]

Look, I don't like some of the bans myself. But they ban cards based on how they are abused, nothing else.

[Blackbelial]

to be honest with ya i dont c the point in creating cards to ban them if u agree then say!

It is not that simple: you have a team inspired about what new crazy and broken things they can bring to the metagame to keep it evolving and then someone put toguether a supercombo that abuse and stuck the format, the competitions, the tournaments and then everything become just freaking mirror matches that only the luck about who put toguether the combo first wins...
...that sucks!
The idea of the ban list is to provide balance and make the game still interesting...
..I have to accept that sometimes it doesnt make a lot of sense for the players but, that the way it is...

[30_Deck_Man]

Two jinzo, make up for the two decrees, it used to be 3 decrees and 1 jinzo, the balance for negating traps is still the same.

[holydemon219]

yah 2 jinzos